[MyData & Open Data] Blog on open data ABOUT privacy

Wed Mar 19 19:58:01 UTC 2014

Oh yes - it'll be a combination of things, whatever happens J

The easiest way to handle consent in Open Data is simply not to use personal
data - data minimisation to zero. 

People are screwing up badly enough on the known knowns, as it is -
pseudonymisation is a complete bust, for rich longitudinal data about human
beings at least - and the known unknowns don't look at all good for personal
data in large datasets over time. I certainly wouldn't trust anyone with the
unknown unknowns!

I'm not sure I personally fancy the idea of a truly 'free market' for this
stuff. It's just where taking a (behavioural) economic view of things tends
to go. Guy Herbert and I did some thinking on 'informational privity' (a
non-transferrable right, with licensing via chain of contract) a few years
back, that I briefly touched on at ORGCon North last year - but most of
these approaches are deficient in some way or another.

What is clear is that if the Open Data community lets itself be used as a
'front' for government data-sharing - which talk of 'personal data in Open
Data' tends to do - then it really ain't going to be pretty.

https://theodi.org/blog/data-sharing-is-not-open-data

Jeni has the right idea. Right now I'd say it's time to draw some VERY clear
lines, before Open Data finds itself even more of a political football than
it already is. 

Phil

From: javierruizorg at gmail.com [mailto:javierruizorg at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Javier Ruiz
Sent: 19 March 2014 19:00
To: Phil Booth
Cc: opennotice at googlegroups.com; mydata-open-data at lists.okfn.org; Mark L
Subject: RE: [MyData & Open Data] Blog on open data ABOUT privacy

Hey, I am not saying that we should give up on consent and transparency :-)
just that maybe we should spread our bets. Data minimisation could be as
important,  for example. 

Consent gets really tricky to handle  in open data. Maybe you can consent to
known unknowns with some clever legal formulation. But the unknown unknowns?

I hope we get to discuss more about the free market approach of personal
datastores and fair monetisation of data.

Javier 

On 19 Mar 2014 18:24, "Phil Booth" <phil at einsteinsattic.com> wrote:

Sure. We understand psychology and behavioural economics - but without
transparency and consent (which we're not even close to yet) you don't get a
'free market' for privacy. You get systemic misuse, abuse and worse...

Phil

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Behalf Of Javier Ruiz
Sent: 19 March 2014 16:41
To: Mark L
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Subject: Re: [MyData & Open Data] Blog on open data ABOUT privacy

Hi, I don't want to open up a huge debate (yet ;-) but! 

transparency and consent will only get you so far, worth looking at the wok
of Alessandro Acquisti on behavioural economics applied to privacy (quick
summary: humans seem unable to make sensible decisions)

http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_matters

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On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 at 16:26, Mark L wrote:

Great Post Reuben, 

Another reason why open data about transparency over data control is so
important and an indicator of how this transparency (or Open Notice) can
solve lots of personal data problems we face today.  

- Mark

On 18 Mar 2014, at 16:28, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org> wrote:

Reuben Binns has posted an excellent blog on our Working Group's page on his
research around a little know open-data-set: the UK Register of Data
Controllers.  

The data is about what organisations declare they might do, not what they do
in practice, but it raises lots of interesting questions.

http://personal-data.okfn.org/blog/

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