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Mon Oct 27 11:00:27 UTC 2014

Interesting junction,

My perspective is a little different.  I think all of the points in this thread have value.   From a get things done, utilitarian, functionally based point of view I don’t see the distinction between the two as a meaningful point of discussion.  Both approaches lead to the support/develop the personal agency in data control. 

From a utilitarian point of view most (if not all) of the points in this discussion lead to personal data management capabilities that transform the ability to provide meaningful consent, limit the use of data for specific purposes, etc, etc.  These are all functional capabilities. 

It appears to me, that the semantics of the discussion are “ A red herring” 

The point being that the narrative is difficult to reconcile with these labels for this WG.  And yes it is confusing because the focus is on both a category and a specific topic. 

Personal Data control and Open Data for instance both are utilitarian categories and I think functionally work together.   My Data & Open Data together specifically targets opening data that orgs have so that people can use it in a meaningful way.  It is very specific in my opinion as oppose to the entire obtuse theme of personal data and privacy.  

>>> people within the group are rightly interested in exploring the
>>> possibilities of how individuals can manage their own data. As such we
>>> would need to find a way to have that aspect also represented in how we
>>> communicate about what the group is about.

This is entirely another topic point in the context of the vast and obtuse spectrum of personal data and privacy.   If someone want to create a sub-group for this topic and lead it with a specific and measurable deliverable, I might even join.   But I definitely prefer a much more performative narrative as a whole for this list. 

It does seem clear that in the vast topic space of personal data and privacy, the OKF would advocate for organisations to open their data in a way that is meaningful.  As Stef says the data portability movement is a good place to start, perhaps another campaign with a bit more focus and a bette ‘Open” framework approach can really make things happen.   To me a goal like this is a specific attainable and realistic activity and if this is what this group wants to do, then I would support.  If their is a larger narrative here around the capabilities on the side of the individual which I also favour over other topics of interest I would also be interested. 

For example the advocacy for consent in all of the processes in which OKF engage in this area in and of itself, or as a part of Open Data movement, is a also a very valid single output that this group could support.    

Hope this helps. 

Mark 

On 26 Oct 2014, at 10:41, Lancelot PECQUET <lancelot at pecquet.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> - "personal data & privacy" is indeed different from "mydata & open data"
> - "mydata" is a slippery concept that carries lots of hidden assumptions
> about "data ownership"
> 
> Therefore
> - Having a group to discuss mydata (and its pitfalls) can be interesting
> (but also time-consuming)
> - I'd rather spend my time on a group focused on personal data &
> privacy, including
>  data portability, in a more "neutral" setting, as stef suggests it
> (NB: this could also be a place to
>  talk about mydata without taking its framing hypotheses for granted)
> - Above all, I think maintaining confusion is misleading and dangerous
> 
> Have a nice day,
> 
> Lancelot
> 
>>> hence all our communication platforms including the Twitter account and
>>> web/wiki pages were known as such. However, for some reason the mailing was
>>> designated as 'mydata and open data' making it confusing even for us within
>>> Open Knowledge.
>> i also remember there was an initial blogpost that was so wrong i joined this
>> mailing list immediately (i usually do not subscribe to any mailinglist)
>> 
>>> people within the group are rightly interested in exploring the
>>> possibilities of how individuals can manage their own data. As such we
>>> would need to find a way to have that aspect also represented in how we
>>> communicate about what the group is about.
>>> I don't have an easy answer to how to resolve that confusion around the
>>> names and how to harmonize them into one, but as there seems to be no
>>> strong objections to either,
>> either what? i tried to represent a very strong opposition to the mydata
>> subversion.
>> 
>>> I will leave it as it is for now. I have been
>>> informed off-channel that in the near future, some members of the group are
>>> interested in revisiting the constitution of the group (it's name, brand,
>>> objectives vis a vis the role of Open Knowledge etc.).
>> that sounds like propaganda stuff, how about either 1/ building up
>> competences in this regard or 2/ accept the fact that this is outside OKF
>> available capacities.
>> 
>>> I of course have no objections to that and look forward to seeing how these
>>> discussions evolve.
> 
> 
> 
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