[od-discuss] OGL UK v3.0 decision time

Mon Oct 27 19:58:20 UTC 2014

Hi all
I've now managed to read this.

+1 from me.

I appreciate and largely agree with the points Luis makes below but overall I think the drafting is very clear and they also make it clear that use of CC 4.0 is fully compatible as is the open data attribution license.

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From: od-discuss <od-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org> on behalf of Luis Villa <luis at lu.is>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:56:48 PM
To: Peter Suber
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Subject: Re: [od-discuss] OGL UK v3.0 decision time

I apologize that I have not had time to devote to ODC lately, and I apologize to the authors of the OGL for not providing this feedback at a time when it would have been more useful. Nevertheless, some comments:

The good
+1. It appears to be compliant with version 2.0 of the Open Definition.

The less good
This license is an extremely positive step forward when compared to previous versions of the OGL UK, and the authors are to be thanked and congratulated for their hard work. However, I feel the license still has drafting issues that I feel I should raise for the record and to educate future submitters to ODC. In particular, roughly from most important down to "very much drafting nitpicks":

  1.  It retains a variety of jurisdiction-specific clauses that will inevitably result in a new flood of confusing, customized, likely-incompatible versions of the OGL.
  2.  Modern open licenses (GPL v3, MPL v2, CC 4, etc.) have realized that automatic termination without an ability to remedy the termination can be problematic. It would be good if OGL remedied this. (The simplest version of the cure that I'm aware of is in copyleft-next, Sec. 7(a)<https://gitorious.org/copyleft-next/copyleft-next/source/3baab310f662811ba48d8a86bfe7f9ef7ef612dc:Drafts/copyleft-next>.)
  3.  The "About" section confusingly mixes legally non-impactful commentary/explanation with language that is presumably intended to be legally binding ("when the Information is adapted and licensed under either of those licenses...") These should be separated out.
  4.  Is unnecessarily limited to public sector information ("Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0.") which will be unnecessarily confusing when the database is adapted by combination with non-public-sector databases.
  5.  Does not number sections, which makes discussion of the license cumbersome (though the authors are otherwise to be quite applauded for the clarity of the drafting!)

As a result of #1, I would strongly urge that OKFN/ODC should state that usage of the license is disfavored unless absolutely necessary (e.g., where usage is required by statute) in favor of jurisdiction-neutral licenses like CC 4.0.

Luis

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Peter Suber <peter.suber at gmail.com<mailto:peter.suber at gmail.com>> wrote:
+1 on the submitted version.

     Best,
     Peter

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On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Timothy Vollmer <tvol at creativecommons.org<mailto:tvol at creativecommons.org>> wrote:
+1 on version as submitted.
tvol

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Andrew Stott <andrew.stott at dirdigeng.com<mailto:andrew.stott at dirdigeng.com>> wrote:
I’m +1 on the submitted version too.

From: od-discuss [mailto:od-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org<mailto:od-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org>] On Behalf Of Baden Appleyard
Sent: 21 October 2014 22:04
To: Herb Lainchbury
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Subject: Re: [od-discuss] OGL UK v3.0 decision time

+1 on submitted version.

Baden

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Herb Lainchbury <herb at dynamic-solutions.com<mailto:herb at dynamic-solutions.com>> wrote:
Since I have already called for a vote I would like to let the vote run its course.

As Mike suggests, please switch to "viewing" mode (top right of document) to see the original version.

Thanks,
Herb

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com<mailto:wolftune at gmail.com>> wrote:
I *just* posted new edits, sorry… Should probably be accepted and clarified whether and which will be included in any voting…

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Herb Lainchbury <herb at dynamic-solutions.com<mailto:herb at dynamic-solutions.com>> wrote:
I believe our discussion regarding UK OGL v3.0 draft is complete.  Thanks to all who contributed.

The new draft has been posted here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C3jPK5U61GU6hMmrEQHJ-TuC8MVPn8ngodlexlQsuRk/edit

A case for approval has been provided here:
https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2014-October/001087.html

I call for AC members to vote to indicate whether they agree that the proposed OGL v3.0 conforms to the Open Definition (v2.0).

I ask that members vote as soon as they feel comfortable as the license publisher is working to a deadline that is fast approaching.

We will continue counting votes for up to two weeks from now or until we have enough +1s that it would be impossible for -1s to overturn.

+1 from me.

Thanks all,
Herb

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