[ok-scotland] online minutes

Wed Jun 30 10:48:28 UTC 2010

Just to clarify the context: the email exchange below was circulated to the
list so that everyone
can be in the loop as to the discussions that have taken place so far only
via skype, that concern
OK Scotland members on this lit

It would be great if someone had comments to add to any of the points in the
minutes circulated
future minutes will also be circulated, and everyone who is discussing OK
Scotland projects and activities please
do ping this list so that everyone can be in the loop?

 we dont need another secret society :-) and nobody can say they have not
been notified of developments

its called 'good practice'

Thanks, look forward

PDM

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jonathan, OK Scotland have a page to keep an open log of all the notes
> exchanged?
> and btw- any chance of a reply to my email below ? Did anything happen
> after our skype talk?
>
> cheers
>
> Paola DM
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: etherpad
> To: Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> Cc: Jo Walsh <jo.walsh at ed.ac.uk>
>
>
> yai,
>
> etherpad is up again
>
>>
>> http://pad.okfn.org/sldig
>>
>
>
> I have tidied up the notes iin the attempt to make them more legible
>
> I promised I would follow up with some thoughts
> *
> *
>  *re OK GOVERNANCE PAGE*
>
> My first take is that there should be a link to the board where the board
> is mentioned, however the executive committee is not mentioned
> There is no information as to how this board is elected, nor how the
> executive board is elected/rotated/managed
> Of critical importance to me, are the decision making processes
> who makes decisions, following what processes? are all ideas and decision
> relating to projects shared/discussed/agreed upon by consensus?
> this information is vital to democratic institutions, afaics
>
> how often does the board meet? to discuss what? where are the minutes? etc
> etc
>
> furthermore, it occurs to me that perhaps OKS (scotland) could have its own
> independent board/committee/rules if that makes it easier for us
> to operate independently from the setup already in place
>
>
>
> *re. suitability of CKAN as a repository*
>
>
> I think CKAN would be cool to use for this directory of open data projects,
> however
>
> a. governance of CKAN project would benefit from additional
> transparency/accountability (see above)
> b. from a technical viewpoint, all we need is to have more metadata
> available as tags
> c. check that the RDF output of CKAN is valid and suitable to be queried
> via SPARQL
>
> From what I have seen, many of the the keywords/metadata are already there,
> for example at some page there is a list of countries
> however this list of countries at this stage does not seem to be metatags,
> it seems normal to me that the
> list of country would be metadata? same for existing domain keywords,
>
> that alone, cleaned up a bit and optimised a bit could be enough to start
> the directory
>
> we also discussed eliciting some keywords/metadata from the respective
> communities
>
> i think *freebase* has good metadata sets (check)
>
> *TO DO*:
>
> discuss with others if this is the right approach to start with
>
> check RDF output is OK sparqlwise
>
> decide if CKAN is the right place to start this registry with
>
> possible more
>
> if something else comes to mind I ll update the etherpad
>
> ping me tomorrow one hr before the call, I ll join if I can, else please
> share summary points
>
>
> cheers
>
> PDM
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Which new list?
>>>
>>> The problem may be sending messages to multiple lists at once?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > my posts to the OK scotland and edinburgh  list are bouncing, but have
>>> not
>>> > received an invitation to sign up to the new list
>>> > with an indication of how to do so (sorry if I missed it)
>>> >
>>> > shall we ping all the people who were subscribed to the old list with a
>>> > clear url where they can sign up for the new list?
>>> > P
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
>>> > Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM
>>> > Subject: Barcamp Glasgow/in principle discussion
>>> > To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>,
>>> > Edinburgh open knowledge list <ok-edinburgh at lists.okfn.org>, Tech
>>> Meetup
>>> > <techmeetup at googlegroups.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear all
>>> > I heard with interest about  the forthcoming Barcamp Glasgow (I think I
>>> took
>>> > part briefly in Barcamp Edinburgh at Informatics one year go or so)
>>> > , but have not seen the entry in the barcamp.org website, nor any
>>> discussion
>>> > about the organisation
>>> > Details here
>>> >
>>> http://www.scottish-enterprise.com/interactivescotland/is-events/is-events-details.aspx?itemId={39CC350E-1618-4E4D-ADF1-E1DA6485A463}<http://www.scottish-enterprise.com/interactivescotland/is-events/is-events-details.aspx?itemId=%7B39CC350E-1618-4E4D-ADF1-E1DA6485A463%7D>
>>> > I  probably wont be able to attend personally on that day
>>> > While I do not have a problem that Scottish Enteprises is planning to
>>> bring
>>> > in some firms to talk, and helping to promote the barcamp culture
>>> > I am worried that this is not at all Barcamp, and nor it is a ' barcamp
>>> > style' event, in the sense that there is no mechanism for
>>> > open participation (not an apparent one),  It doesnt feel right to me.
>>> > There is now wiki where people can enter their talks, yadadiyada
>>> > you know the score
>>> > I would be glad if someone (preferably a lawyer)  could talk to the
>>> > organisers and inform them politely  of what a Barcamp is, and that
>>> although
>>> > Barcamp is not officially trademarke afaik), it would not be good
>>>  practice
>>> > to use a very well known 'brand name'  to organise somethiing radically
>>> > different in its core principle
>>> > I ll be happy to have an offlist (or onlis?t) discussion with anyone
>>> willing
>>> > to look into it further, and suggest the appropriate course of action
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > PDM
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Gray
>>>
>>> Community Coordinator
>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>> http://blog.okfn.org
>>>
>>> http://twitter.com/jwyg
>>> http://identi.ca/jwyg
>>>
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