[ok-scotland] online minutes

Wed Jun 30 13:41:02 UTC 2010

Again - very quick responses to this:

Questions about general OKF governance should go to okfn-coord, or okfn-discuss.

Technical questions about CKAN should go to ckan-discuss.

Details at:

  http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo

Jonathan

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify the context: the email exchange below was circulated to the
> list so that everyone
> can be in the loop as to the discussions that have taken place so far only
> via skype, that concern
> OK Scotland members on this lit
> It would be great if someone had comments to add to any of the points in the
> minutes circulated
> future minutes will also be circulated, and everyone who is discussing OK
> Scotland projects and activities please
> do ping this list so that everyone can be in the loop?
>  we dont need another secret society :-) and nobody can say they have not
> been notified of developments
> its called 'good practice'
>
> Thanks, look forward
> PDM
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan, OK Scotland have a page to keep an open log of all the notes
>> exchanged?
>> and btw- any chance of a reply to my email below ? Did anything happen
>> after our skype talk?
>> cheers
>> Paola DM
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: etherpad
>> To: Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
>> Cc: Jo Walsh <jo.walsh at ed.ac.uk>
>>
>>
>> yai,
>>
>> etherpad is up again
>>>
>>> http://pad.okfn.org/sldig
>>
>> I have tidied up the notes iin the attempt to make them more legible
>> I promised I would follow up with some thoughts
>> re OK GOVERNANCE PAGE
>> My first take is that there should be a link to the board where the board
>> is mentioned, however the executive committee is not mentioned
>> There is no information as to how this board is elected, nor how the
>> executive board is elected/rotated/managed
>> Of critical importance to me, are the decision making processes
>> who makes decisions, following what processes? are all ideas and decision
>> relating to projects shared/discussed/agreed upon by consensus?
>> this information is vital to democratic institutions, afaics
>> how often does the board meet? to discuss what? where are the minutes? etc
>> etc
>> furthermore, it occurs to me that perhaps OKS (scotland) could have its
>> own independent board/committee/rules if that makes it easier for us
>> to operate independently from the setup already in place
>>
>>
>> re. suitability of CKAN as a repository
>>
>> I think CKAN would be cool to use for this directory of open data
>> projects, however
>> a. governance of CKAN project would benefit from additional
>> transparency/accountability (see above)
>> b. from a technical viewpoint, all we need is to have more metadata
>> available as tags
>> c. check that the RDF output of CKAN is valid and suitable to be queried
>> via SPARQL
>> From what I have seen, many of the the keywords/metadata are already
>> there, for example at some page there is a list of countries
>> however this list of countries at this stage does not seem to be metatags,
>> it seems normal to me that the
>> list of country would be metadata? same for existing domain keywords,
>> that alone, cleaned up a bit and optimised a bit could be enough to start
>> the directory
>> we also discussed eliciting some keywords/metadata from the respective
>> communities
>> i think freebase has good metadata sets (check)
>> TO DO:
>> discuss with others if this is the right approach to start with
>> check RDF output is OK sparqlwise
>> decide if CKAN is the right place to start this registry with
>> possible more
>> if something else comes to mind I ll update the etherpad
>> ping me tomorrow one hr before the call, I ll join if I can, else please
>> share summary points
>>
>> cheers
>> PDM
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Which new list?
>>>>
>>>> The problem may be sending messages to multiple lists at once?
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > my posts to the OK scotland and edinburgh  list are bouncing, but have
>>>> > not
>>>> > received an invitation to sign up to the new list
>>>> > with an indication of how to do so (sorry if I missed it)
>>>> >
>>>> > shall we ping all the people who were subscribed to the old list with
>>>> > a
>>>> > clear url where they can sign up for the new list?
>>>> > P
>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
>>>> > Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM
>>>> > Subject: Barcamp Glasgow/in principle discussion
>>>> > To: Discussion list for the Electron Club <members at electronclub.org>,
>>>> > Edinburgh open knowledge list <ok-edinburgh at lists.okfn.org>, Tech
>>>> > Meetup
>>>> > <techmeetup at googlegroups.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear all
>>>> > I heard with interest about  the forthcoming Barcamp Glasgow (I think
>>>> > I took
>>>> > part briefly in Barcamp Edinburgh at Informatics one year go or so)
>>>> > , but have not seen the entry in the barcamp.org website, nor any
>>>> > discussion
>>>> > about the organisation
>>>> > Details here
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.scottish-enterprise.com/interactivescotland/is-events/is-events-details.aspx?itemId={39CC350E-1618-4E4D-ADF1-E1DA6485A463}
>>>> > I  probably wont be able to attend personally on that day
>>>> > While I do not have a problem that Scottish Enteprises is planning to
>>>> > bring
>>>> > in some firms to talk, and helping to promote the barcamp culture
>>>> > I am worried that this is not at all Barcamp, and nor it is a '
>>>> > barcamp
>>>> > style' event, in the sense that there is no mechanism for
>>>> > open participation (not an apparent one),  It doesnt feel right to me.
>>>> > There is now wiki where people can enter their talks, yadadiyada
>>>> > you know the score
>>>> > I would be glad if someone (preferably a lawyer)  could talk to the
>>>> > organisers and inform them politely  of what a Barcamp is, and that
>>>> > although
>>>> > Barcamp is not officially trademarke afaik), it would not be good
>>>> >  practice
>>>> > to use a very well known 'brand name'  to organise somethiing
>>>> > radically
>>>> > different in its core principle
>>>> > I ll be happy to have an offlist (or onlis?t) discussion with anyone
>>>> > willing
>>>> > to look into it further, and suggest the appropriate course of action
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > PDM
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Gray
>>>>
>>>> Community Coordinator
>>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>>> http://blog.okfn.org
>>>>
>>>> http://twitter.com/jwyg
>>>> http://identi.ca/jwyg
>>>
>>
>>
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