[@OKFNau] does your home have a smart meter? Are you on Github
Charlie H Ward
charlie.h.ward at gmail.com
Sat Dec 6 10:01:10 UTC 2014
Hi Omid
The problem I describe is intrinsically local (Australian) because it's about data formats published by Australian utilities. But you're right there is no reason there couldn't be a universal solution theoretically - much in the same way digital music and movies are published in standard, universal formats (mp3, mp4 etc).
I'm not interested in, or intending to publish private data. You'll see on github that I talk about anonymising the data and stripping most of the records. I'm only interested I'm the data formats.
Thanks
Charlie
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> 1. Re: does your home have a smart meter? Are you on Github?
> Read on... (Omid Ameri)
> 2. Re: Central ckan or other repository for Aus data? (Hugh Stephens)
> 3. Re: Central ckan or other repository for Aus data? (Steve Bennett)
> 4. Re: does your home have a smart meter? Are you on Github?
> Read on... (Lachlan Musicman)
> 5. Re: does your home have a smart meter? Are you on Github?
> Read on... (Georgina Wilcox)
> 6. Re: Central ckan or other repository for Aus data? (Steve Bennett)
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> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 23:35:00 +0800
> From: Omid Ameri <oameri at gmail.com>
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> Hi
> The same kind of data is available in usa. Why you need Aussie one?
> Any how this data is extremely confidential and no one has this right to
> give it to anybody. Because this is about lifestyle and householders
> privacy.
> Cheers
> Omid
>
> Sent by my mobile.
>> On 03/12/2014 9:22 PM, "Lachlan Musicman" <datakid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, sorry. I'm just very cynical re big business and my data. Am
>> about to upload - Charlie, where do you want them? In the examples
>> folder? Also, am *I* incrementing the XX number?
>>
>>
>> On 1 December 2014 at 10:04, Georgina Wilcox <georginawilcox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I'm not in any way an expert, but there is some information about the
>>> Privacy Act (1988) here:
>> http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-fact-sheets/other/information-sheet-private-sector-4-2001-access-and-correction
>> ,
>>> in particular an individual's right to request a copy of information
>>> held about them. There has also been more recent privacy reform just
>>> this year.
>>>
>>> However -- in negotiating something like this, perhaps it is best to
>>> start with the friendliest possible tone, and only start quoting dates
>>> once you hit a blank wall. It might take longer, but then again it
>>> might not, if it doesn't occur to anyone that this might be something
>>> they want to deny you. I mean, logically, why would they? that would
>>> be crazy...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lachlan Musicman <datakid at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Charlie,
>>>>
>>>> What is the easiest way to get our provider to give us a copy of that
>> data?
>>>>
>>>> I ask because, in my cynicism, I presume they will evade and try to
>>>> not provide. Is there language I can use? Like:
>>>>
>>>> "according to the Blah Act of Victorian Parliament in 2008, you are
>>>> required to give me this data on request..."
>>>>
>>>> or some such?
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> L.
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 November 2014 at 15:17, charlie <charlie.h.ward at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ve started a very modest little project on Github relating to
>> Australian
>>>>> smart meter data. See
>>>>> https://github.com/charliedotau/Smart-Meter-File-Format-Examples-Aus
>>>>>
>>>>> I need your help. If you have a smart meter, live in Australia and
>> you?re
>>>>> on GitHub, I?d love your help in collating as many examples as
>> possible of
>>>>> the different file formats used by Retailers and Distributors to supply
>>>>> their customers with their electricity usage data.
>>>>>
>>>>> More details in the link above.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks kindly
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> http://what.agreenidea.org
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
>>>> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
>>>> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
>>>> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
>>>> intelligent when talking to your friends.
>>>> This post was STUPID.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
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>> --
>> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
>> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
>> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
>> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
>> intelligent when talking to your friends.
>> This post was STUPID.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:04:08 +1100
> From: Hugh Stephens <hugh at dialogueconsulting.com.au>
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> Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Central ckan or other repository for Aus data?
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> Hi guys
>
> Long time listener, first time call/emailer. Just dropping in to say that
> if people are really keen to have an AU community-specific CKAN
> installation I'm happy to auspice/support it...I luckily carry quite a bit
> of Amazon credit for their Sydney endpoint, as well as Softlayer's
> Melbourne facility so we'd actually get a choice of datacentre....or
> potentially it could even be something an AU host like Serversaurus might
> actually give a comp cluster to use.
>
> Obviously that's more effort than datahub.io ? but just wanted to put my
> hand in the ring for technical assistance and/or server credits if it is
> something that people are interested in.
>
> Hugh
>
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>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick, I only just saw this email sorry. Too many I have :) But it
>> sounds like you've converted something that is already available publicly
>> just not in a data format, so there is a small possibility we might be able
>> to convince the data custodian of the original data to publish your
>> converts. Please email data.gov at finance.gov.au and we will look into
>> it.
>>
>> PS - regarding who can publish on data.gov.au, it is a government data
>> portal, so it has government data :) Publishers are generally government
>> data custodians. I know of a few portals for community data but Open
>> Australia seems the most likely group for open data relating to democracy
>> and parliament in Australia IMHO. Those guys rock.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pia
>>> On 21/12/2013 10:09 AM, "Nick Evershed" <nick.evershed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been doing a fair bit of work recently to convert federal politician
>>> expense PDFs into nice, machine-readable formats. I was wanting to make the
>>> data more accessible, so was wondering what the best way might be to do
>>> this. Can you submit data to data.gov.au if you're not actually in a
>>> government department? Is there a similar central respository for aus data?
>>> If not, are there any plans for one?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Nick E.
>>>
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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:21:32 +1100
> From: Steve Bennett <stevage at gmail.com>
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> Hi everyone,
> Nice to see this thread suddenly come to life :)
>
> A closely related topic came up at the Open Knowledge Melbourne meetup last
> night: is it possible for volunteers to get datasets published *on behalf
> of* Government? That is, where there is an appropriately authorised public
> servant who says in email "Do what you have to to get this dataset on
> data.gov.au, but I don't have time to deal with it".
>
> Some other moderately relevant tidbits:
> - for a while there was http://localdata.net.au, a CKAN instance hosting
> data from three South Australian councils, but it seems to have gone
> recently. I don't know who was running it. It claimed to be open to
> anyone-ish.
> - I started a list of where various bodies are publishing to:
> https://github.com/OKFNau/OpenDataRepos (Not sure if it's really
> maintainable, but if anyone is interested, jump in.)
>
> Steve
>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick, I only just saw this email sorry. Too many I have :) But it
>> sounds like you've converted something that is already available publicly
>> just not in a data format, so there is a small possibility we might be able
>> to convince the data custodian of the original data to publish your
>> converts. Please email data.gov at finance.gov.au and we will look into
>> it.
>>
>> PS - regarding who can publish on data.gov.au, it is a government data
>> portal, so it has government data :) Publishers are generally government
>> data custodians. I know of a few portals for community data but Open
>> Australia seems the most likely group for open data relating to democracy
>> and parliament in Australia IMHO. Those guys rock.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pia
>>> On 21/12/2013 10:09 AM, "Nick Evershed" <nick.evershed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been doing a fair bit of work recently to convert federal politician
>>> expense PDFs into nice, machine-readable formats. I was wanting to make the
>>> data more accessible, so was wondering what the best way might be to do
>>> this. Can you submit data to data.gov.au if you're not actually in a
>>> government department? Is there a similar central respository for aus data?
>>> If not, are there any plans for one?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Nick E.
>>>
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>>> okfn-au mailing list
>>> okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
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> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:28:56 +1100
> From: Lachlan Musicman <datakid at gmail.com>
> To: "Open Knowledge discussion list for Australia."
> <okfn-au at lists.okfn.org>
> Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] does your home have a smart meter? Are you on
> Github? Read on...
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> Omid,
>
> I think Charlie is looking for examples of the data formats, rather
> than the data itself.
>
> The idea being that an all purpose analysis tool can be built that
> will be able to be used by anyone with a smart meter (within the
> privacy of their own home) regardless of inconsistent data formats and
> standards.
>
> Cheers
> L.
>
>
>> On 4 December 2014 at 02:35, Omid Ameri <oameri at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> The same kind of data is available in usa. Why you need Aussie one?
>> Any how this data is extremely confidential and no one has this right to
>> give it to anybody. Because this is about lifestyle and householders
>> privacy.
>> Cheers
>> Omid
>>
>> Sent by my mobile.
>>
>>> On 03/12/2014 9:22 PM, "Lachlan Musicman" <datakid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, sorry. I'm just very cynical re big business and my data. Am
>>> about to upload - Charlie, where do you want them? In the examples
>>> folder? Also, am *I* incrementing the XX number?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 December 2014 at 10:04, Georgina Wilcox <georginawilcox at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm not in any way an expert, but there is some information about the
>>>> Privacy Act (1988) here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-fact-sheets/other/information-sheet-private-sector-4-2001-access-and-correction,
>>>> in particular an individual's right to request a copy of information
>>>> held about them. There has also been more recent privacy reform just
>>>> this year.
>>>>
>>>> However -- in negotiating something like this, perhaps it is best to
>>>> start with the friendliest possible tone, and only start quoting dates
>>>> once you hit a blank wall. It might take longer, but then again it
>>>> might not, if it doesn't occur to anyone that this might be something
>>>> they want to deny you. I mean, logically, why would they? that would
>>>> be crazy...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lachlan Musicman <datakid at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the easiest way to get our provider to give us a copy of that
>>>>> data?
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask because, in my cynicism, I presume they will evade and try to
>>>>> not provide. Is there language I can use? Like:
>>>>>
>>>>> "according to the Blah Act of Victorian Parliament in 2008, you are
>>>>> required to give me this data on request..."
>>>>>
>>>>> or some such?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> L.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 November 2014 at 15:17, charlie <charlie.h.ward at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?ve started a very modest little project on Github relating to
>>>>>> Australian
>>>>>> smart meter data. See
>>>>>> https://github.com/charliedotau/Smart-Meter-File-Format-Examples-Aus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need your help. If you have a smart meter, live in Australia and
>>>>>> you?re
>>>>>> on GitHub, I?d love your help in collating as many examples as
>>>>>> possible of
>>>>>> the different file formats used by Retailers and Distributors to
>>>>>> supply
>>>>>> their customers with their electricity usage data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More details in the link above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks kindly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>> http://what.agreenidea.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> okfn-au mailing list
>>>>>> okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
>>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-au
>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-au
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
>>>>> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
>>>>> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
>>>>> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
>>>>> intelligent when talking to your friends.
>>>>> This post was STUPID.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> okfn-au mailing list
>>>>> okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
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>>>
>>> --
>>> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
>>> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
>>> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
>>> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
>>> intelligent when talking to your friends.
>>> This post was STUPID.
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
> intelligent when talking to your friends.
> This post was STUPID.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:51:38 +1100
> From: Georgina Wilcox <georginawilcox at gmail.com>
> To: "A List for Open Knowledge Networks in Australia."
> <okfn-au at lists.okfn.org>
> Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] does your home have a smart meter? Are you on
> Github? Read on...
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>
> Hi Omid,
>
> I'm sure that Lachlan wanted access to data about his own energy usage.
> This would be useful in order to better inform his usage and efforts to
> save energy.
>
> Georgina
>> On 5 Dec 2014 10:24, "Omid Ameri" <oameri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> The same kind of data is available in usa. Why you need Aussie one?
>> Any how this data is extremely confidential and no one has this right to
>> give it to anybody. Because this is about lifestyle and householders
>> privacy.
>> Cheers
>> Omid
>>
>> Sent by my mobile.
>>> On 03/12/2014 9:22 PM, "Lachlan Musicman" <datakid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, sorry. I'm just very cynical re big business and my data. Am
>>> about to upload - Charlie, where do you want them? In the examples
>>> folder? Also, am *I* incrementing the XX number?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 December 2014 at 10:04, Georgina Wilcox <georginawilcox at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm not in any way an expert, but there is some information about the
>>>> Privacy Act (1988) here:
>>> http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-fact-sheets/other/information-sheet-private-sector-4-2001-access-and-correction
>>> ,
>>>> in particular an individual's right to request a copy of information
>>>> held about them. There has also been more recent privacy reform just
>>>> this year.
>>>>
>>>> However -- in negotiating something like this, perhaps it is best to
>>>> start with the friendliest possible tone, and only start quoting dates
>>>> once you hit a blank wall. It might take longer, but then again it
>>>> might not, if it doesn't occur to anyone that this might be something
>>>> they want to deny you. I mean, logically, why would they? that would
>>>> be crazy...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lachlan Musicman <datakid at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the easiest way to get our provider to give us a copy of that
>>> data?
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask because, in my cynicism, I presume they will evade and try to
>>>>> not provide. Is there language I can use? Like:
>>>>>
>>>>> "according to the Blah Act of Victorian Parliament in 2008, you are
>>>>> required to give me this data on request..."
>>>>>
>>>>> or some such?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> L.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 November 2014 at 15:17, charlie <charlie.h.ward at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?ve started a very modest little project on Github relating to
>>> Australian
>>>>>> smart meter data. See
>>>>>> https://github.com/charliedotau/Smart-Meter-File-Format-Examples-Aus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need your help. If you have a smart meter, live in Australia and
>>> you?re
>>>>>> on GitHub, I?d love your help in collating as many examples as
>>> possible of
>>>>>> the different file formats used by Retailers and Distributors to
>>> supply
>>>>>> their customers with their electricity usage data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More details in the link above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks kindly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>> http://what.agreenidea.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> okfn-au mailing list
>>>>>> okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
>>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-au
>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-au
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
>>>>> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
>>>>> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
>>>>> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
>>>>> intelligent when talking to your friends.
>>>>> This post was STUPID.
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
>>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> okfn-au mailing list
>>>>> okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> You have to be really clever to come up with a genuinely dangerous
>>> thought. I am disheartened that people can be clever enough to do that
>>> and not clever enough to do the obvious thing and KEEP THEIR IDIOT
>>> MOUTHS SHUT about it, because it is much more important to sound
>>> intelligent when talking to your friends.
>>> This post was STUPID.
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html
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> From: Steve Bennett <stevage at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Central ckan or other repository for Aus data?
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> Awesome. So maybe let's flesh out the use cases. What problems does this
> solve?
>
> 1. Data from government but improved by the community
> 2. Data generated outside government, but broadly useful
>
> 3.
> I wonder if we could also use this approach to solve another problem I'm
> starting to notice, which is: Data that belongs together, but is split
> across different levels of government, different jurisdictions, agencies
> etc.
> For example:
> - a health data portal
> - an environmental data portal
> - a bike data portal (eg, data from VicRoads, other states, local councils,
> OpenStreetMap extracts, community generated [subjective] data)...
>
> IMHO, it will be easier to encourage reuse of data if we can point people
> to "healthdata.org.au" rather than "there's some stuff on data.vic.gov.au,
> some on data.gov.au, also check out the council websites of X, Y and Z...".
>
> (If this is too tangential, please ignore. :))
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Hugh Stephens <
> hugh at dialogueconsulting.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Long time listener, first time call/emailer. Just dropping in to say that
>> if people are really keen to have an AU community-specific CKAN
>> installation I'm happy to auspice/support it...I luckily carry quite a bit
>> of Amazon credit for their Sydney endpoint, as well as Softlayer's
>> Melbourne facility so we'd actually get a choice of datacentre....or
>> potentially it could even be something an AU host like Serversaurus might
>> actually give a comp cluster to use.
>>
>> Obviously that's more effort than datahub.io ? but just wanted to put my
>> hand in the ring for technical assistance and/or server credits if it is
>> something that people are interested in.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> --
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>> *Director*
>> Dialogue Consulting
>>
>> *p*: 1300 846 768
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>> *m*: 0431 304 464
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nick, I only just saw this email sorry. Too many I have :) But it
>>> sounds like you've converted something that is already available publicly
>>> just not in a data format, so there is a small possibility we might be able
>>> to convince the data custodian of the original data to publish your
>>> converts. Please email data.gov at finance.gov.au and we will look into
>>> it.
>>>
>>> PS - regarding who can publish on data.gov.au, it is a government data
>>> portal, so it has government data :) Publishers are generally government
>>> data custodians. I know of a few portals for community data but Open
>>> Australia seems the most likely group for open data relating to democracy
>>> and parliament in Australia IMHO. Those guys rock.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pia
>>>> On 21/12/2013 10:09 AM, "Nick Evershed" <nick.evershed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been doing a fair bit of work recently to convert federal
>>>> politician expense PDFs into nice, machine-readable formats. I was wanting
>>>> to make the data more accessible, so was wondering what the best way might
>>>> be to do this. Can you submit data to data.gov.au if you're not
>>>> actually in a government department? Is there a similar central respository
>>>> for aus data? If not, are there any plans for one?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Nick E.
>>>>
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