[@OKFNau] Community Data Wrangling - Food Data Analysis Project
Rosie Williams
budgetaus at hotmail.com
Fri Jun 27 02:12:43 UTC 2014
Hi Simon,
I'll attend to your suggestions. I'm a bit distracted at present.
regards
Rosie Williams BA (Sociology)________________________________________
NoFibs.com.au - Open Data Reporter InfoAus.net - Founder and Developer Open Knowledge Foundation Australia - Open Spending Ambassador
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 01:16:07 +1000
> From: simoncropper at fossworkflowguides.com
> To: okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
> Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Community Data Wrangling - Food Data Analysis Project
>
>
> Rosie,
>
> Thanks for that analysis. It's interesting.
>
> One thing missing from your presentation is the reference to the source.
> Both NUTAB and AUSNUT require attribution, and if you used NUTTAB you
> also required a disclaimer. Look at the file in the LICENCE directory or
> follow the link in the HTML file in the root directory of the dataset
> you used.
>
> On 24/06/14 14:09, Rosie Williams wrote:
> > Here is what I've done to begin with:
> > This page gives the nutritional breakdown by Food Name
> > http://infoaus.net/food/food.php?food=Flour,%20cornflour,%20from%20maize%20starch
> > The results are generated by clicking on the link in the list of foods
> > on the right (if you're on mobile it might be on the left and you'll
> > have to scroll down to see the results underneath the list).
> >
> > I've also done a query to list each nutritional element from the food
> > with the most to least which you can also get by clicking on the link in
> > the page above (relevant to that element) or
> > http://infoaus.net/food/total.php?category=Starch_g
> >
> > Please ignore the headers/footers as I've not updated anything there.
> > I'm using the ones for BudgetAus.
> >
> > Rosie Williams BA (Sociology)
> > ________________________________________
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: budgetaus at hotmail.com
> > To: okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
> > Subject: RE: [@OKFNau] Community Data Wrangling - Food Data Analysis Project
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:31:51 +1030
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > I've begun mucking around with one of the data sets so I'll see what I
> > come up with today. I'm working on a query that list food by
> > highest-lowest on each nutrient. I'm using PHP and MySQL.
> >
> > Thankyou for your answers. I think those questions are very important
> > and that this information should probably be made available to
> > prospective participants and users of data in a more permanent format if
> > that is not already the case.
> >
> > It sounds like you are imagining an output/product/service suitable for
> > the general public? Use cases are important because they drive what data
> > is needed, how it is treated and what the end product is.
> >
> > I have found that the most important aspect in the success of an open
> > data project is the demand from the end users. Technical problems can
> > usually be solved but without a specific audience of end users whether
> > that be a group of people with expert knowledge or the general public
> > then it is difficult to find a rationale to create/continue these projects.
> >
> > It's important to know what the selling points are and whether it is a
> > better version of something that already exists or something unique and
> > new. My experience with the budget data suggests to me that building a
> > better mousetrap is actually easier than doing something that has never
> > been done before because despite all the hype around 'innovation' I
> > think people have a good deal of trouble conceptualising something
> > completely new. Having said that, if you can generate the support in
> > terms or interest, funding etc for something new my point is moot.
> >
> > To sum up, my personal opinion is that the success of open data projects
> > is more to do with gaining public interest or the interest of specific
> > communities of backers (which can only be based on there being demand
> > from end users), rather than the ability to solve technical problems.
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear other people's feedback on this.
> >
> > Rosie Williams BA (Sociology)
> > ________________________________________
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:34:34 +1000
> > > From: simoncropper at fossworkflowguides.com
> > > To: okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
> > > Subject: Re: [@OKFNau] Community Data Wrangling - Food Data Analysis
> > Project
> > >
> > > Hi Rosie,
> > >
> > > > Who do you see as the potential end users of sites based on this data?
> > >
> > > Facts regarding food, nutrition and diets are rampant on the Internet.
> > > The information created by this project would feed reliable data based
> > > on open methodology for anyone interested in the data analysed to use.
> > >
> > > > Do you know if similar sites already exist?
> > >
> > > Some sites exist that purport to provide high quality information that
> > > neglect to state their sources or the methodology used to analyze the
> > > data. This project will endevour to collate the actual data sources used
> > > and document the methodology used and publish the outcome in easily
> > > digested forms for general consumption.
> > >
> > > The GitHub repository already has some Australian data and I am
> > > collating some international datasets to complement this data. All are
> > > open data that have no constraints on creation and distribution of
> > > derivatives.
> > >
> > > The methodology will be published as part of set projects or events.
> > > Initially I indent to use pandas+iPython to document how the data is
> > > analyzed. These is free to anyone to view, contribute and/or create
> > > derivatives with (assuming they meet the CC-BY-SA licencing terms).
> > >
> > > As part of a project or event, people will be utilized to post process
> > > data, tables, graphs and present the information in digestible forms --
> > > e.g. a twitter post, Google+ post or an infographic on youtube. I am not
> > > sure but I expect that these 'final presentations' may be fixed -- that
> > > is to say released under a CC-BY-ND licence, but this will need to be
> > > thought through a bit more with anyone else joining the project or event.
> > >
> > > I hope that this answers your questions? If not, post further queries
> > > and I will endevour to answer your concerns.
> > >
> > > On 23/06/14 13:16, Rosie Williams wrote:
> > > > Hi Simon,
> > > >
> > > > Who do you see as the potential end users of sites based on this data?
> > > >
> > > > Do you know if similar sites already exist?
> > > >
> > > > Rosie Williams BA (Sociology)
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > NoFibs.com.au <http://nofibs.com.au> - Open Data Reporter
> > > > InfoAus.net <http://infoaus.net> - Founder and Developer
> > > > Open Knowledge Foundation Australia <http://au.okfn.org/> - Open
> > > > Spending Ambassador
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:35:21 +1000
> > > > From: simoncropper at fossworkflowguides.com
> > > > To: school-of-data at lists.okfn.org; okfn-au at lists.okfn.org
> > > > Subject: [@OKFNau] Community Data Wrangling - Food Data Analysis
> > Project
> > > >
> > > > Hello Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if you are on both lists and receive this post twice.
> > > >
> > > > As mentioned in my introduction last week I have created a repository
> > > > focused on the analysis of food data with the objective of using the
> > > > data as fodder for a range of community data wrangling projects and
> > events.
> > > >
> > > > You can find it on GitHub here...
> > > > https://github.com/SimonChristopherCropper/Food_Data_Analysis
> > > >
> > > > I am currently compiling the initial datasets and supporting
> > documentation.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone interested in helping at this initial stage are welcome to
> > > > connect via my newly created forum...
> > > > http://www.fossworkflowguides.com/Community/
> > > >
> > > > It is hoped to use this forum to coordinate activities among members as
> > > > various tasks are attempted. Register on the forum to become a member.
> > > > The user help is reasonably good with MyBB so you should not have too
> > > > many problems. If you do contact me privately.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone in the School of Data would like to promote the startup, I
> > > > would be happy to correspond via email, if you need more than is
> > > > currently available on *GitHub* or the *Community Data Wrangling
> > Forum*.
> > > >
> > > > As stated, this is a work in progress and more information will be
> > > > posted via the forum about various tasks, projects and events. Specific
> > > > projects and events will be announced on these two lists.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers Simon
> > > >
> > > > Simon Cropper - Open Content Creator
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