[@OKau] care and consensus

Tamsyn Michael tamsyn.j.michael at gmail.com
Mon Apr 27 05:07:38 UTC 2015

Thanks for that link Cobi.  We're having that exact conversation on the
Hackerspace list.  Just trying to marshal my thoughts on the subject, this
is a valuable resource.

On 27 April 2015 at 10:50, Cobi Alison Smith <cobi.smith at unimelb.edu.au>

>  thank you Steven - I appreciate your sharing :)
>  which leads me to share this:
> http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulation-industry/misreading-adam-smith/
>  the irony that I'm in effect promoting classical economics does not
> escape me. (I'm speaking to my 19 yo self reading Naomi Klein's 'No Logo'
> and Anita Roddick's 'Globalization: Take It Personally' here)
>  I wish someone had introduced me to Elinor Ostrom's Governing the
> Commons earlier. (Since I'm now talking to myself, I'll get offlist)
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* okfn-au [okfn-au-bounces at lists.okfn.org] on behalf of Steven De
> Costa [steven.decosta at linkdigital.com.au]
> *Sent:* Monday, 27 April 2015 10:52 AM
> *To:* Open Knowledge discussion list for Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [@OKau] care and consensus
>   Nic Gruen passed on the following quote in relation to a different
> discussion the other day, perhaps relevant to the discussion on creating a
> forum for consensus being by its nature a forum for collusion.
>  “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and
> diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or
> in some contrivance to raise prices.”
>  Adam Smith - The Wealth of Nations
>      *STEVEN DE COSTA *|
> *EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR *www.linkdigital.com.au
> On 27 April 2015 at 10:23, Cobi Alison Smith <cobi.smith at unimelb.edu.au>
> wrote:
>>  Hey folks,
>>  I'm citing this paper in my PhD
>> https://www.academia.edu/12034526/The_Proper_Care_and_Feeding_of_Hackerspaces_Care_Ethics_and_Cultures_of_Making
>> and have been talking about it with people from some maker communities
>> I've been involved with.
>>  I'm citing it in a section of my PhD in which I talk about the need for
>> processes that support diversity rather than consensus, as consensus can
>> silence, alienate or otherwise marginalise people and undermine critical
>> thinking skills and tolerance. The new WA climate consensus centre is a
>> demonstration of how consensus may involve implicit motivations and
>> alienate people. The paper I share above is interesting as it discusses how
>> organizers of a hackerspace recognize they have diversity problems, they
>> also acknowledge that consensus has been challenging, but continue with it
>> as a core value in decisionmaking (which I consider alongside international
>> development studies in which consensus has been associated with oppression).
>>  Steve I appreciated the article you wrote about the value of projects
>> as outcomes of hackathons, so hope you didn't see my contribution about the
>> value of learning/sharing as outcomes of hackathons as in opposition to
>> that - perhaps I should have started by thanking you and saying I
>> appreciated you sharing what you did, as it led me to craft my thoughts on
>> what I value from hackathons :)
>>  I think it's a good thing that the open knowledge community in
>> Australia is growing to the extent that there are people with diverse
>> perspectives expressing their experiences and values and outcomes. I hope
>> that diversity is reflected in private discussions and decisionmaking at management
>> level.
>>  Best wishes, Cobi
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