[okfn-discuss] Keeping DRM out of HTML5

Pieter Colpaert pieter.colpaert at okfn.org
Wed May 15 21:48:45 UTC 2013


All,

Daniel +1 - We should take a public stance against DRM in HTML5 (and in
general).

I think it would be interesting to summarize this in 3 solid arguments + an
alternative in a blog post on okfn.org. If there's a consent, I'm willing
to give a kickstart to such a blog post.

Kind regards,

Pieter


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Daniel Dietrich
<daniel.dietrich at okfn.org>wrote:

> Dear Herrmann,
>
> I think the OKFN should publicly reject DRM in general and as a whole.
> HTML5 is just one aspect of this battle.
>
> But thats just my humble opinion, interested to hear what other think.
>
> All best
> Daniel
>
>
> On 15 May 2013, at 23:08, Augusto Herrmann <augusto.herrmann at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Since the WWW 2013 conference is happening this week, and this issue is
> in discussion there, I though this an opportune moment to revisit the topic.
> >
> > Do you guys think the OKFn should publicly reject DRM as a whole, or add
> to the campaign against it in HTML5, as the FSF and EFF have been doing?
> Even a blog post discussing why this is bad for open knowledge could be
> useful at this moment.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Augusto Herrmann
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
> > yes, sorry about my typo. We're clear. Public endorsements of negative
> things cause more harm than any potential upside of luring your enemies
> into your camp or whatever.
> >
> > All political positions matter in terms of how they inspire others, not
> just for the technical details.
> >
> > --
> > Aaron Wolf
> > wolftune.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Karsten Gerloff <gerloff at fsfeurope.org>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Karsten Gerloff <
> gerloff at fsfeurope.org>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looking at the, ahem, "success" of
> > > > technologies such as Flash and Silverlight, they're welcome to
> > > > try.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I must say, I know this is just a turn of phrase, but they are NOT
> welcome
> > > to try more of this. We need to keep working to have a culture that
> shames
> > > these attempts even when they are failed attempts.
> >
> > I fully agree.
> > >
> > > And that said, the idea of TBL endorsing DRM is destructive. Whether it
> > > possibly has any utility in bringing the systems to light where they
> can be
> > > rejected, if the goal of rejection isn't PUBLIC then it's bad for the
> > > culture. We can have respectable people telling the culture to respect
> DRM.
> >
> > s/can/can't, right?
> >
> > > This is a cultural battle more than a technological one.
> >
> > Quite so. If Tim Berners-Lee has a strategy here, I hope it's a
> > very good one. But I doubt it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Karsten
> > --
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