[okfn-discuss] open data, open science entries on wikipedia

Thu Oct 10 00:54:53 UTC 2013

Gene,

You should know better than to even joke about stealing CC-BY-SA material
for use in another CC-BY-SA work (Citizendium vs Wikipedia). You can go
ahead and do in reverse. Any work done on Wikipedia can be just moved right
over to Citizendium, so go right ahead and do that. Many of Citizendium's
tiny number of approved articles actually came originally from Wikipedia
(often with inadequate attribution nonetheless)!

Wikipedia has a specific project for incorporating the good stuff from
Citizendium:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Citizendium_Porting

Of course, given that Citizendium is not that active nor effective, there's
not much good to port over.

So in the end, writing at Citizendium doesn't do anything to help anyone
one way or the other, except that it probably will stay obscure and fail to
benefit from as many helpful editors.

I should add that I support your idea of using a wiki to draft policies and
then to formalize and sign a set thing that gets placed in static form at
OKFN site and referenced from the wiki.

Respectfully,
Aaron

--
Aaron Wolf
wolftune.com

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Gene Shackman <eval_gene at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I, personally, would like to see an article about open science or open
> data on citizendium. I also know for a fact that wikipedia steals, er, uses
> citizendium as a source, because I wrote an article about free statistical
> software on citizendium, and wikipedia took it, almost word for word.
>
> Citizendium has an entry for open data here
> http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Open_data
> and one for open science here
> http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Open_science
>
> But putting it on an okfn page would work as well.
>
> Gene
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Nicholas Roberts <niccolo.roberts at gmail.com>
> *To:* Gene Shackman <eval_gene at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list <
> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [okfn-discuss] open data, open science entries on wikipedia
>
> Why not citizendium?  Its expert and real name oriented
> On Oct 9, 2013 3:23 PM, "Gene Shackman" <eval_gene at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose the following.
>
> Find a site that is owned by okfn or some other open knowledge
> organization. Copy the relevant wikipedia pages onto a page hosted by okfn.
> Make all the edits, revisions, changes, etc, on that page, the one hosted
> by okfn (or whoever). Then, when that version is final, sign it with the
> names of the people who made the changes. Next, make that page available to
> the public. That way, this page has credibility, because there are real
> names of real people, willing to show their names. Also, you don't have to
> worry about other people making random changes, so you don't have to
> monitor the page to revert changes you don't like.
>
> Take that revised version, that is permanent and signed, and make the same
> changes to the wikipedia page, and, if possible, indicate on the wikipedia
> page where the permanent version is. That way, people can use the wikipedia
> page to get to the more credible, permanent page, that is hopefully also
> sponsored by the hosting organization.
>
> The advantage of this approach is that you have a permanent page that is
> not subject to random changes by anyone and everyone. In addition, it also
> shows credibility, because you have people signing it with their real names.
>
> I hope folks will consider this approach.
>
>
> Gene
>
>
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