[okfn-discuss] okfn-discuss Digest, Vol 97, Issue 22
djebar hammouche
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Thu Oct 10 04:10:24 UTC 2013
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> 1. Re: what are the arguments against open data (Bob Chen)
> 2. Re: what are the arguments against open data (Bob Chen)
> 3. Re: what are the arguments against open data (Bob Chen)
> 4. Re: protocols of open data, business models (Bob Chen)
> 5. protocols of open data, business models, open data
> orientation, beginning to end (Gene Shackman)
> 6. open data, open science entries on wikipedia (Gene Shackman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:09:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bob Chen <bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] what are the arguments against open data
> To: Gene Shackman <eval_gene at yahoo.com>, Open Knowledge Foundation
> discussion list <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1310090853420.1486 at pinebox>
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> The public domain issues are complex. The public domain is defined in
> U.S. law, but is not necessarily recognized in other legal
> jurisdictions. The U.S. government can theoretically claim copyright
> in other legal jurisdictions, but in my experience refrains from any
> effort to label US government data as copyrightable in deference to
> the data's public domain status under U.S. law. As I understand it, a
> non-US entity could claim copyright to US government data, and sue
> anyone who tried to use that data outside of U.S. territory. For
> example, this could apply to data obtained through the direct
> broadcast feature of some U.S. Earth observation satellites. The owner
> of a receiving station could copyright the data received from the
> satellite, even if the processing algorithms were identical to those
> used by the U.S. government.
>
> Of course, given that users would generally go to a free and open
> source if available rather than use a restricted source, this seems
> unlikely to happen. But it certainly has happened with commercial
> media and web streaming...
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> *****
> Dr. Robert S. Chen
> Director, Center for International Earth Science Information Network
> (CIESIN), The Earth Institute, Columbia University
> Manager, NASA Socioeconomic Data and Applications Center (SEDAC)
> P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
> tel. +1 845-365-8952; fax +1 845-365-8922
> e-mail: bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu
> CIESIN web site: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu
> SEDAC web site: http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu
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>
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Gene Shackman wrote:
>
> ? 2. US govt data. Well, the US copyright office does say that works
> of the US govt are not subject to US copyright laws. But they also
> say, and now I can't find it, that when US govt works are used outside
> of the US, the US govt may claim copyright. Not exactly public domain.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:11:55 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bob Chen <bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] what are the arguments against open data
> To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list
> <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> We have had the same difficulty with trying to get navigation
> companies to release subsets of their road network data useful for
> research...
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> *****
> Dr. Robert S. Chen
> Director, Center for International Earth Science Information Network
> (CIESIN), The Earth Institute, Columbia University
> Manager, NASA Socioeconomic Data and Applications Center (SEDAC)
> P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
> tel. +1 845-365-8952; fax +1 845-365-8922
> e-mail: bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu
> CIESIN web site: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu
> SEDAC web site: http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu
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>
> >
> >
> > The above is also a big challenge when trying to convince private
> > companies to release data for secondary, serendipitous public
> > good???for example, getting personal health/sensor device makers to
> > release their collections of individual data without hurting their
> > existing business models.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Puneet Kishor
> > Science and Data Policy, Creative Commons
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:19:43 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bob Chen <bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] what are the arguments against open data
> To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list
> <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> Again, I think the OECD Principles and Guidelines for Access to
> Research Data from Public Funding, available at
> http://www.oecd.org/sti/sci-tech/38500813.pdf, is a good start. The
> International Council for Science (ICSU) Committee on Data for Science
> and Technology (CODATA) has begun to think about how to build on these
> principles and expand their acceptance beyond the OECD countries to
> the broader scientific community.
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> *****
> Dr. Robert S. Chen
> Director, Center for International Earth Science Information Network
> (CIESIN), The Earth Institute, Columbia University
> Manager, NASA Socioeconomic Data and Applications Center (SEDAC)
> P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
> tel. +1 845-365-8952; fax +1 845-365-8922
> e-mail: bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu
> CIESIN web site: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu
> SEDAC web site: http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:03:56 +0100
> > From: Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>
> > Reply-To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list
> > <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> > To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list <
> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> > Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] what are the arguments against open data
> >
> > This is been a very useful discussion - I am slightly surprised that no
> one
> > has already created a set of principles of Open Data. Since this is a
> high
> > profile list it's a good touchstone that this may not exist.
> >
> > In which case it seems critical that OKFN take this on board and come up
> > with a protocol for Open Data. This would be very highly valued. It could
> > be an extension of the Panton philosophy.
> >
> > I'd like to see some formal categorisation and exemplification. For
> example
> > scientific research may impinge on sensitive scientific locations
> (nesting
> > birds). Geo-mapping may impinge on indigenous rights, etc.
> >
> > We are also about to start extracting mass data from the scientific
> > literature. There is also the question as to whether the integration of
> > non-sensitive sources can reveal sensitive material - this is well
> accepted
> > in medicine/patients.
> >
> > I imagine this would make a wonderful challenge for School Of Data and
> > should be aprt of a modeul (if it isn't already).
> >
> > P.
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:45:56 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bob Chen <bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] protocols of open data, business models
> To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list
> <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> I think there are a couple of different meanings of "business model"
> floating around.
>
> One is the discussion of how private businesses can open up their data
> and still survive as a business.
>
> Another is the degree to which businesses and other organizations can
> build on and provide services based on public sector data and
> information.
>
> The third, which I'm more concerned with, is how to support the entire
> lifecycle of open data, from creation to preservation, in an era of
> stressed public budgets. Open data can improve the case for public
> sector investment, and it could provide access to new resources (e.g.,
> citizen scientists), but it may also undercut subscription and other
> business models for data access and stewardship that have lasted for
> decades. For a viewpoint on this, see a recent statement prepared by a
> group of "domain repositories":
>
>
> http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/support/announcements/2013/09/sustaining-domain-repositories-for
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> *****
> Dr. Robert S. Chen
> Director, Center for International Earth Science Information Network
> (CIESIN), The Earth Institute, Columbia University
> Manager, NASA Socioeconomic Data and Applications Center (SEDAC)
> P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
> tel. +1 845-365-8952; fax +1 845-365-8922
> e-mail: bchen at ciesin.columbia.edu
> CIESIN web site: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu
> SEDAC web site: http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Ewan Klein wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:29:57 +0100
> > From: Ewan Klein <ewan.klein at gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list
> > <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> > To: Gene Shackman <eval_gene at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Open Knowledge Foundation discussion list <
> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> > Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] protocols of open data, business models
> >
> > Hi Gene,
> >
> >> 2. What would a business model look like, or what exactly is a business
> model? Something that says how to make data open but how the people who
> make them open can still benefit?
> >
> > It's worth noting that that Jeni Tennison of the Open Data Institute, as
> well as several other people, have been thinking and writing about open
> data business models for a while. There is a good overview article by Alex
> Howard:
> >
> >
> http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/01/open-data-business-models-deloitte-insight.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --Ewan
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:27:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gene Shackman <eval_gene at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [okfn-discuss] protocols of open data, business models,
> open
> data orientation, beginning to end
> To: "okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org" <okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> "The third, which I'm more concerned with, is how to support the entire
> life cycle of open data, from creation to preservation"
>
> This definition would certainly encompass protocols of open data.? And how
> to get businesses or any other organization or person to open their data,
> and how to get people to think about 'open' even before they create data,
> and everything from beginning to end.
>
> I'm not sure
> 'business model' is the right term, because what Bob is talking about is
> so much more, the life cycle. I'd like to see some kind of model covering
> all this: planning, creating, distributing, maintaining, using, all with
> open in the plan.
>
> So, before you start, what do you need to think about when planning data
> that's going to be open. As you gather data, what do you need to think
> about in making the data open. and so on.
>
>
> Gene
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> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gene Shackman <eval_gene at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [okfn-discuss] open data, open science entries on wikipedia
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> I would like to propose the following.
>
> Find a site that is owned by okfn or some other open knowledge
> organization. Copy the relevant wikipedia pages onto a page hosted by okfn.
> Make all the edits, revisions, changes, etc, on that page, the one hosted
> by okfn (or whoever). Then, when that version is final, sign it with the
> names of the people who made the changes. Next, make that page available to
> the public. That way, this page has credibility, because there are real
> names of real people, willing to show their names. Also, you don't have to
> worry about other people making random changes, so you don't have to
> monitor the page to revert changes you don't like.
>
> Take that revised version, that is permanent and signed, and make the same
> changes to the wikipedia page, and, if possible, indicate on the wikipedia
> page where the permanent version is. That way, people can use the wikipedia
> page to get to the more credible, permanent page, that is hopefully also
> sponsored by the hosting organization.
>
> The advantage of this approach is that you have a permanent page that is
> not subject to random changes by anyone and everyone. In addition, it also
> shows credibility, because you have people signing it with their real names.
>
> I hope folks will consider this approach.
>
>
> ?
> Gene
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