[okfn-discuss] Next steps on the Open Knowledge Tagline

[Javier Creus]

Hello everyone,

I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open.

In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part of
the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't fully
embrace the open knowledge definition.  It's about "openess"


thanks,


javi


2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com>:

> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public
> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I
> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was trying
> to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it was a
> false impression.
>
> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data" tagline.
> I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the PDR!" But the
> whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and seems to be a
> totally different organization…
>
> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but I'm
> truly more surprised and baffled than anything else.
>
> Sincerely,
> Aaron
>
> --
> Aaron Wolf
> wolftune.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew at generalist.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential shift
>> in
>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions.
>> >
>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data stuff
>> was
>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free
>> Culture",
>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see zero
>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think that
>> will
>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody will
>> ever
>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with free/open
>> > art.
>>
>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about
>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point.
>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural
>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help
>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote,
>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to
>> them, seems tangential.
>>
>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is
>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data.
>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented
>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd
>> expect from "see how data can change the world"
>>
>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace
>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes,
>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-)
>>
>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds",
>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range)
>>
>> --
>> - Andrew Gray
>>   andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
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