[okfn-discuss] Next steps on the Open Knowledge Tagline

Tue Jun 17 16:19:02 UTC 2014

To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the "see
how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to:

"see how open culture can change the world"
"see how open science can change the world"
"see how X can change the world"

Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating the
potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-)

Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points
coming!

Rufus

On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <javicreus at ideasforchange.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open.
>
> In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part of
> the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't fully
> embrace the open knowledge definition.  It's about "openess"
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> javi
>
>
> 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com>:
>
> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public
>> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I
>> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was trying
>> to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it was a
>> false impression.
>>
>> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data"
>> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the
>> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and
>> seems to be a totally different organization…
>>
>> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but
>> I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Aaron
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Wolf
>> wolftune.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew at generalist.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential
>>> shift in
>>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions.
>>> >
>>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data
>>> stuff was
>>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free
>>> Culture",
>>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see zero
>>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think
>>> that will
>>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody will
>>> ever
>>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with
>>> free/open
>>> > art.
>>>
>>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about
>>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point.
>>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural
>>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help
>>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote,
>>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to
>>> them, seems tangential.
>>>
>>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is
>>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data.
>>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented
>>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd
>>> expect from "see how data can change the world"
>>>
>>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace
>>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes,
>>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-)
>>>
>>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds",
>>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range)
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Andrew Gray
>>>   andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
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