[okfn-discuss] [od-discuss] Open Definition 2.0?

Tue Oct 7 00:26:53 UTC 2014

Hi Herb,

unfortunately I don't have time to read it in details, but I can check a
broader community. From your previous e-mail, I understand changes are just
details.

If by public discussion you mean a specific mailing list about the OD, OK,
I tend to have another approach. Since several groups and organizations use
the OD as a principle to build their projects, maybe, at least,
okfn-discuss and okfn-local-coord should be consulted before a final
statement, because here we have, I guess, the main hubs for a more
crowdsourcing work.

I leave you and the board with this suggestion, no necessity to follow.
I'll try to look a bit more often the public OD mailing list to see if I
have time to consult the Brazilian community in a next opportunity, if I
see it's necessary.

@Mike: thanks for your explanation in the following e-mail. [1]

[1] https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-discuss/2014-October/010607.html

Tom

2014-10-06 21:15 GMT-03:00 Herb Lainchbury <herb at dynamic-solutions.com>:

> Everton,
>
>
> Thank you for your note.
>
> Many parties rely on the Open Definition. Anyone is welcome to join in the
> discussion which is public and occurs on od-discuss.
>
> The Open Definition Advisory Council is responsible for maintaining and
> developing the definition.
>
> We can't know all of the parties individually so we reach out to the
> groups we are aware of and rely on others who have a specific interest in
> the Definition to join in on the public discussion.
>
> The new version of the definition was discussed publicly on od-discuss
> over a period of 9 or so months.
>
> As chair of the advisory council, I feel that the process was given an
> appropriate amount of time and that sufficient opportunity was provided for
> feedback and collaboration.
>
> Mainly the changes were to make the language clearer and to separate the
> conditions relating to licenses from those relating to works but please do
> read it to see the changes for yourself.
>
> If after reading the definition, you would like to propose changes to the
> definition I would encourage you to post your proposal on the od-discuss
> list.
>
> If you have suggestions on how to improve our process, we would be happy
> to receive them on the od-discuss list as well.
>
>
> Herb Lainchbury
> Chair, Open Definition Advisory Council
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <tom at okfn.org.br
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> In my opinion, important changes of the open definition (OD) should be
>> sent to the *okfn-discuss* and* okfn-local-coord *mailing lists, since a
>> lot of our is based on the OD.
>>
>> If that was not the case (I cannot check if there is some relevant
>> improvement now), I kindly ask for we have some extra time for we check
>> with our local collaborators at the open knowledge network for a proof
>> reading.
>>
>> If we don't have time for some reason and there is some substantial
>> change that affect all of us, well, patience.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> 2014-10-06 19:36 GMT-03:00 Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I'm sorry I didn't follow up on it, but here's what happened:
>>>
>>> Over on the OD discussion list, there was a call for voting as to
>>> whether we had reached the final v2.
>>>
>>> My comment is here:
>>> https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2014-August/000974.html
>>>
>>> I never added my +1 (despite being perfectly happy with our result). I
>>> said instead that we needed to engage the larger list before *any*
>>> statement that there was any official anything (especially given the logo
>>> issues). Apparently, I was just ignored.
>>>
>>> I still object to the way people active on the OD list just went and
>>> said, "ok, we all discussed and worked out things, we're all happy, now we
>>> announce to the world." I was actually there to say, "no, we need to tell
>>> the broader OK community about what we've got and get feedback before any
>>> announcements otherwise" but I failed to keep bugging people about that,
>>> and I guess nobody else shared my concerns enough to reply to my post or
>>> otherwise do this the right way.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Aaron Wolf (just a volunteer who decided to help on the OD list)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Aaron Wolf
>>> wolftune.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Samuel Azoulay <azoulay.sa at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I just noticed that the autumn newsletter of the Open Knowledge
>>>> addresses the launch of the "Open Definition 2.0".
>>>>
>>>> Either I missed it and I apologize if this is the case, or the whole
>>>> community has not been consulted or even informed of the procedure of
>>>> renewal of the Open Definition. I think this is unfortunate, especially
>>>> regarding such a crucial topic who contributes to shape the image of the
>>>> Open Knowledge by setting standards which are broadly used.
>>>>
>>>> It was apparently planned
>>>> <https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2014-September/001021.html> to
>>>> inform OK's lists (discuss, local-coord...) in advance but this has not
>>>> been done unless I'm mistaken (1
>>>> <https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2014-September/001021.html>
>>>> and 2
>>>> <https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-discuss/2014-October/thread.html>
>>>> ).
>>>>
>>>> Could you give us some news?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Samuel Azoulay
>>>> OK France
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Samuel Azoulay*
>>>>
>>>> Twitter : @Sam_azl
>>>>
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>>
>>
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