[okfn-help] Open government data registry Workshop

Sat Jan 23 18:43:58 UTC 2010

Hi again,

Here a benchmarking list and some other details before the workshop:
http://apoikola.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/open-government-data-catalogs/

-Jogi

PS: Diigo is soooo much cooler than Delicious ;)

On 22 January 2010 20:46, Antti "Jogi" Poikola <antti.poikola at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> What: Virtual workshop about open data catalogs and requirments
> When: 11.2.2010 16-19 CET
> Where: Skype + Etherpad + wiki contact antti.poikola by skype
>
> This Doodle poll indicates that Thursday 11.2. is OK for me, Daniel,
> James, Rufus, David and Jussi, so let's keep that fixed.
>
> The idea is to generally brainstorm the requirments for a good data
> catalog. I will contact James and Daniel before the workshop and
> organize it a little bit in advance.
>
> Secondary goal if there is time left is to streamline the two open
> source catalog projects CKAN and opengov.x so that they will support
> each other. Jussi allready made a review of the CKAN codebase from a
> opengov.x developers point of view. And David? have evaluated CKAN as
> well (link below), it would be great if one of the CKAN developers
> could evaluate the opengov.x codebase and send the comments for the
> rest of us.
>
> Opengov.x codebase
> http://code.google.com/p/opengov-catalog/
>
> Notes about CKAN and list of exicting datacatalogs
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARp4XHAbw5YsZGRoanh4ZnNfNjJmNmJkaDVjYg&hl=en
>
>
> -Jogi
> 2010/1/19 Antti Poikola <antti.poikola at gmail.com>:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I made the initial Doodle poll here: http://www.doodle.com/smrbrg5uz3ihg3p6
>>
>> Mark possible days in the poll and add free-form comments at the bottom of
>> the poll in the comments section please.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> -Jogi (Finland)
>>
>> Jonathan Gray wrote:
>>>
>>> Great to hear that there is interest in having a virtual session to
>>> discuss CKAN UI stuff, CKAN/Opengov.x interoperability and suchlike!
>>> (I guess the title will be something like 'Open government data
>>> registry requirements'?)
>>>
>>> Antti: can we action you with fixing a date/time that suits the main
>>> people interested in participating with this? E.g. with a doodle poll,
>>> say in February? (Not sure if weekday or weekend is better, AM or PM,
>>> etc.)
>>>
>>> Also it would be great if people could add relevant ideas/discussion
>>> points to:
>>>
>>>  http://wiki.okfn.org/ckan/ideas
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM, David Eaves <david at eaves.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> As someone seeking to set up a site that aggregates open data sets I'd
>>>> love
>>>> to be part of the discussion and help out as well.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> dave
>>>> C: 778-227-4235
>>>> www.eaves.ca
>>>>
>>>> On 10-01-15 8:52 AM, Daniel Dietrich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Antti and others
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is really a great idea and I am happy to join / help.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14.01.2010, at 19:43, Antti Poikola wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jonathan and others,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will forward this email to the opengov_data developer list:
>>>>>> opengov_data at googlegroups.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jussi Arpalahti made recently a quick review on the CKAN codebase and
>>>>>> hopefully shares his thoughts with you guys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically it seems that opengov is so far much lighter and simpler
>>>>>> implementation that CKAN. CKAN is more datawarehouse oriented where the
>>>>>> opnegov is more usercommunity and UI oriented, though, not yet fully
>>>>>> implemented. In my opinion replicating things in two projects
>>>>>> (developing
>>>>>> community approach, discussion and UI in CKAN or developing advanced
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> directory related features in opengov) should be avoided if possible.
>>>>>> On the
>>>>>> other hand putting two systems in one stack is not allways so straight
>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course this question goes beyond technology and the vision for good
>>>>>> data catalogues should be developed further. In Finland we have some
>>>>>> financial backing for developing the opengov further and I might be
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> get some more for something useful, but before that I would like to
>>>>>> push
>>>>>> more the development of "international data catalogue builder
>>>>>> community".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I suggest that (in this order):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Jussi shares his questions and thoughts for this group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. One of the CKAN developers takes a quick look at the opengov code
>>>>>> base: http://code.google.com/p/opengov-catalog/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Before going to wiki, let's have an 1,5 hour data catalogue
>>>>>> visioning
>>>>>> session at Skype+Etherpad. After points 1 and 2, if there is interest
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> this point 3, I can coordinate the scheduling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the steps proposed and looking forward to jump in at step
>>>>> 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best greetings
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jogi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathan Gray wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Several people interested in using CKAN as a registry of open
>>>>>>> (government) data in their country have expressed an interest in
>>>>>>> having either a new front end, a different 'theme' and/or more user
>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antti Poikola (Finland), Daniel Dietrich (Germany) and James Burke
>>>>>>> (Netherlands) are going to take a lead in suggesting improvements and
>>>>>>> features that they would like to see, as well as in comparing it to
>>>>>>> other similar sites/projects. Perhaps as David Eaves (Canada) is also
>>>>>>> thinking about this, he might like to join in too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest that Antti, Daniel, James and David (if he is interested),
>>>>>>> add their ideas and suggestions to the OKF wiki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  http://wiki.okfn.org/ckan/ideas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, once they have done this, we can then schedule in a meeting
>>>>>>> with core CKAN developers/designers to talk about this. E.g. sometime
>>>>>>> in February? Also several people have suggested the possibility of
>>>>>>> finding other designers/developers (Python) to help out with this in
>>>>>>> respective countries...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are starting a little working group here at opendata network in
>>>>> Germany
>>>>> to discus what features, functionalities, etc we would like to see for a
>>>>> german data.gov.de - we also might find some coding recourses for coding
>>>>> /
>>>>> design.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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