[okfn-labs] where is the data - is labs / services interested?

Mon Oct 22 10:59:41 UTC 2012

Friedrich,

To be honest I had an in depth look on what my society is doing and was
quite turned off by their system. Havend looked that much at froide though.
I agree that the system is very similar. Question is: will reinventing the
wheel take less time than force adapting an already existing one.

Ad notifications: that would be the role of a moderator person - who needs
to be there anyhow to see whether requests have been followed up with.

Michael

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:52:22PM +0200, Friedrich Lindenberg wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> so help me understand how this is different. At the moment it seems to
> be a simple "post and idea" thing, which has little interactivity. In
> the medium term you'll want to extend it, to:
> 
> a) Make it google-indexable so that people can find previous requests.
> b) Notify government officials when new requests come in
> c) Add voting so that people can express their interest in a dataset
> (i.e. it becomes a type of petition system).
> 
> So, I agree that what you have now is a nice demo, but I wonder if
> there really isn't enough shared mass with existing FoI or Petitions
> systems to go from there, rather than reinventing the wheel?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  - Friedrich
> 
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Michael Bauer <michael.bauer at okfn.org> wrote:
> > Friedrich,
> >
> > Alaveteli and FrOI-DE are both more targetet towards FoI requests and thus
> > a very different breed (IMO). isitopendata.org is a service before unknown
> > to me and seems to target something different  - inquiries for terms and
> > conditions for existing data. So I think there is a niche for it to live
> > in. But I'd defer to these kind of services if the majority agrees there is
> > such a thing that's useable.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:02:30PM +0200, Friedrich Lindenberg wrote:
> >> Hey Michael,
> >>
> >> I saw it when you posted it to twitter, it's a nice hack. My question
> >> is whether we really need to build a new technology for this, when we
> >> have both Alaveteli and OKFN's own FrOI-DE
> >> (https://github.com/stefanw/froide) and http://www.isitopendata.org/.
> >> Of course both of these would require some textual adaptations and
> >> perhaps a voting button, but that seems light-years simpler than
> >> starting from scratch.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> - Friedrich
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Michael Bauer <michael.bauer at okfn.org> wrote:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > While in tanzania I hacked together a little plattform called where is the
> >> > data? that allows people to enter datasets they would want to be released
> >> > by the governments. It was built in about 3-4h of hacking together
> >> > jekyll/bootstrap/recline and gdocs and is very minimal. It's up on
> >> > http://mihi-tr.github.com/whereisthedata-tz/ with some demo requests.
> >> >
> >> > I demoed it to Justin Arenstein and he's very interested in making this
> >> > part of africaopendata.org and the upcoming code4(ghana|tanzania|kenya|africa)
> >> > programs. My aim now is to make it easily adaptable and then launch this as
> >> > a set of micro plattforms. To succeed there needs to be one person
> >> > moderating the process in each country - e.q. having contact with the Gov
> >> > and checking whenever datasets are released. It's net costs right now are 0
> >> > + 4h of work.
> >> >
> >> > My question: Is the OKFN (OFKN-Labs/OKFN-Services) interested as part of
> >> > this?
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >
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