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Hi Kelsey

I'm ccing Jason who was one of the team members of a project called
School Report. I think it does pretty much what you're talking about
except that development has stalled on it (to the best of my
knowledge). Have a look
at this slideshow:
http://www.slideshare.net/jnorwoodyoung/school-report-16522716#btnNext

Adi

On 2 May 2013 10:54, Kelsey Wiens <kelseywiens at gmail.com> wrote:
> just to add on Leon's thoughts. Would be brilliant to have a teacher
> abstantee tracking as well. For the students to notify when their
> teacher isn't available to teach that day. A visual representation of
> that issue would be really helpful.
>
> Could overlay that with broken toilets, and other infrastructures breakdowns.
>
> Also think we need to start thinking about some sort of timeline when
> it comes to Educations in SA. I've just finished a study on Primary
> School edu in South Africa and found it extremely difficult to tell
> the story of the breakdowns in SA education. I'm happy to roll with
> this (and my current findings) if someone with smarter developer
> smarty-pants can help.
>
>
>
>
> Kelsey Wiens
> Cape Town, South Africa
>
> Mobile:     +27 (72) 438 5095
> Skype:      kelseylwiens
> About.me: http://about.me/kelseywiens
> Twitter:      bella_velo
>
> “Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live.” –Mark Twain
>
>
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>>    1. Re: [HacksHackers Cape Town] Please Sue Me (Leon Gert Marincowitz)
>>    2. Re: okfn-za Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7 (Kelsey Wiens)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 08:48:03 +0200
>> From: Leon Gert Marincowitz <lmarincowitz at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] [HacksHackers Cape Town] Please Sue Me
>> To: Geoffrey Kilpin <geoffreykilpin at gmail.com>
>> Cc: okfn-za at lists.okfn.org,
>>         hackshackers-johannesburg at googlegroups.com,
>>         "hackshackers-capetown at googlegroups.com"
>>         <hackshackers-capetown at googlegroups.com>, odadi at googlegroups.com
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>> Hi Guys
>>
>> My to cents worth, having worked for government I can reliable confirm that
>> there is absolutely 100% chance of lobbying Gov for a change of policy.
>> This is because it's no where on the issue and trying to find someone who
>> even knows about it and in the face of the secrecy bill is non existent.
>>
>> What helps change is facts on the ground. Collect as much info as
>> possible.  All gov budgets municipal stuff etc despite licences. Then turn
>> attention to info like the textbook saga - I loved the idea that students
>> could report book shortages.
>>
>> Then make and compile such info that its easy to use.
>> Then make it available as a reliable source to academics and journalists
>> and NGO's. Equal Education would love a continually updated list of failed
>> textbook delivery.
>>
>> This for me would be a much more certain and productive POA than lobbying
>> Gov.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Leon G. Marincowitz
>>     Apologies for brevity, sent from smartphone
>> lmarincowitz at gmail.com
>> On 02 May 2013 12:46 AM, "Geoffrey Kilpin" <geoffreykilpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adi,
>>>
>>> I agree that raising the issue in the national discourse is potentially
>>> useful - but perhaps it is a step that should be considered if we are
>>> unable to engage with decision makers in government.
>>>
>>> I won't pretend to know how to approach lobbying government (maybe others
>>> can contribute ideas?) - but I imagine working out who makes these
>>> decisions is the first step, followed by formulating a strategy to approach
>>> them. Comparing South African policies to other countries probably should
>>> be part of this - particularly within Africa in countries that have made
>>> more progress with open data than us, but also elsewhere. I just took a
>>> quick look at the license used for data.gov.uk - it allows commercial use
>>> (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/).
>>>
>>> Another approach might be to just obtain legal opinion on the use of
>>> fact-based datasets, such as municipal boundary data. It might be easier to
>>> raise funds for that, and would hopefully provide at least some peace of
>>> mind to those using this data.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Geoff.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Geoff
>>>>
>>>> I was waiting for your response :). The openly antagonist flavour of
>>>> this initiative has given me pause. The one benefit of this approach
>>>> is that it is openly controversial and will hopefully spark
>>>> discussions and raise the issue of government data into the national
>>>> discourse (at least a little).
>>>>
>>>> I'm keen to hear your thoughts though about how we could take the
>>>> alternative route of changing government policies vis a vis releasing
>>>> data into the public domain. Regardless I think our goals are the
>>>> same, i.e. changing the de facto licence under which data is made
>>>> available from restrictive to open.
>>>>
>>>> Adi
>>>>
>>>> On 1 May 2013 16:56, Geoffrey Kilpin <geoffreykilpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Adi,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your work on this and the Daily Maverick column - it is very
>>>> > interesting to hear about the responses that you've been getting. This
>>>> idea
>>>> > is very cool - but I wonder if a potentially confrontational approach
>>>> is the
>>>> > best way to start.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe the goal of all this should be that all government data is placed
>>>> in
>>>> > the public domain, as is the case in the U.S. (see
>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Domain#Government_works).
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Geoff.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Some of you may have read an article that I posted recently on the
>>>> >> OKFN mailing list and on the Daily Maverick with regards to the
>>>> >> openness of government data in South Africa.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In that article, I described an exercise that I undertook to gain
>>>> >> commercial access to that data. I have had very few responses, all of
>>>> >> which expressly forbid commercial use.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As per the Copyright Act, I am not certain that most of this data
>>>> >> qualifies for copyright protection as it usually contains a database
>>>> >> of facts where no innovative process was used to produce said data. On
>>>> >> the moral front, it seems absurd that data produced using public funds
>>>> >> should be restricted in such a way. In an ideal world an open data
>>>> >> licence would be attached to all government data allowing for re-use
>>>> >> without permission or restriction. Please see an excerpt from a
>>>> >> comment that I received from the legal advisor to parliament:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Should you wish to request permission or a licence to use information
>>>> >> on our webpage for commercial gain, I suggest you indicate the item
>>>> >> you want to use and the specific purpose for its use to allow us to
>>>> >> make an informed decision. "
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I it is unacceptable to be required to request permission to re-use a
>>>> >> list of MPs listed on www.parliament.gov.za
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I would like to propose a provocative response that will hopefully
>>>> >> spark a conversation (and despite the codename, not get me sued).
>>>> >> Volunteers and comments and criticisms welcome.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The idea is as follows:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Build a website registered at www.pleasesueme.co.za
>>>> >> 2. Scrape a bunch of data from government website, stuff that seems to
>>>> >> not be copyrightable
>>>> >> 3. Upload it to the website and offer it up for sale for a nominal
>>>> >> fee. It needs to be sold so as to assert a right for general re-use.
>>>> >> Sold data will be re-released under an open licence.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The money (i expect very little data to be actually sold) will be used
>>>> >> to fund a war-chest (however small) for a legal defense if it comes to
>>>> >> that. My gut feeling is that we won't get any response at all but by
>>>> >> being provocative, we might get people thinking about why it might be
>>>> >> important to push open data licences within government. We might get a
>>>> >> take-down notice which would be evaluated based on merit. I can't
>>>> >> imagine (though I am not a lawyer) that any public agency has the
>>>> >> time, money or wherewithal to take this to court.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any responses, including flames about how I'm being naive or that
>>>> >> antagonism is not the correct approach are welcome.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Adi
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
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>>>> >> Data Specialist
>>>> >> phone: +27 78 014 2469
>>>> >> skype: adieyalcas
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>> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:07:57 +0200
>> From: Kelsey Wiens <kelseywiens at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] okfn-za Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7
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>> hey Aldi
>>
>> ( we met on twitter the other day)
>>
>> Count me in for project cheerleader and community building!
>>
>> @bella_velo
>>
>> K
>> Kelsey Wiens
>> Cape Town, South Africa
>>
>> Mobile:     +27 (72) 438 5095
>> Skype:      kelseylwiens
>> About.me: http://about.me/kelseywiens
>> Twitter:      bella_velo
>>
>> ?Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live.? ?Mark Twain
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:46 AM,  <okfn-za-request at lists.okfn.org> wrote:
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>>>    1. Re: [HacksHackers Jo'burg] Re: [HacksHackers Cape Town]
>>>       Please Sue Me (Rufus Pollock)
>>>    2. Re: Please Sue Me (Rufus Pollock)
>>>    3. Re: Please Sue Me (Adi Eyal)
>>>    4. Re: [HacksHackers Cape Town] Please Sue Me (Geoffrey Kilpin)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 18:06:51 +0100
>>> From: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] [HacksHackers Jo'burg] Re: [HacksHackers Cape
>>>         Town] Please Sue Me
>>> To: Nimi Hoffmann <Nimi.Hoffmann at gmail.com>
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>>> @Nimi and Francois: these are really good points (I feel perhaps we
>>> should fork the thread!).
>>>
>>> @Nimi: you can raise issues re the Census here
>>> http://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus and anyone can contribute to it!
>>> We are working to put in place additional review mechanisms including
>>> having "country editors" to address the kind of queries you raised re
>>> India and Kenya. We're also reviewing the ranking / scoring mechanism
>>> as there are several different ways we could incorporate the various
>>> different responses.
>>>
>>> Rufus
>>>
>>> On 1 May 2013 17:42, Nimi Hoffmann <Nimi.Hoffmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hmm, good point. I agree with you. However, do you not think one could
>>>> usefully combine a binary-type indicator of openness with indicators on
>>>> access to create a matrix which provides information on both the incidence
>>>> of openness, as well as the intensity of openness.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if you're familiar with the multidimensional poverty index
>>>> (MPI), but this is kind of what I had in mind, albeit at a much less
>>>> sophisticated level :)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ophi.org.uk/multidimensional-poverty-index/
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Nimi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1 May 2013 18:34, Francois van Schalkwyk <francois at compressdsl.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick thought: I don?t think we should conflate access with
>>>>> openness. Both, as you rightly point out, are important ? openness without
>>>>> access can seem pointless. But I think it?s important to treat these as
>>>>> separate but related issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Francois
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: okfn-za-bounces at lists.okfn.org
>>>>> [mailto:okfn-za-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Nimi Hoffmann
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:29 PM
>>>>> To: hackshackers-johannesburg at googlegroups.com
>>>>> Cc: okfn-za at lists.okfn.org; hackshackers-capetown at googlegroups.com;
>>>>> odadi at googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] [HacksHackers Jo'burg] Re: [HacksHackers Cape Town]
>>>>> Please Sue Me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Rufus and Adi. The Open Data Census looks really useful. I'm a
>>>>> little surprised at how low Kenya and India scored. Also, I wonder to what
>>>>> extent the Census captures the intensity of openness. For example, in South
>>>>> Africa, not so many people have meaningful access to broadband Internet. As
>>>>> a consequence, I'd argue that a resource like StatsSA, limited though it is
>>>>> to those of us with good connectivity, is basically invisible to those who
>>>>> do not have such connectivity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it's possible to qualify the dataset by including a dataset on
>>>>> Internet connectivity, access to electricity etc? I'll take a look at the
>>>>> dataset this weekend and see if one can get at a more precise analysis. Hmm,
>>>>> it also makes me think about doing (potentially dodgy!) work on the
>>>>> relationship between how open government data is, and other indicators, such
>>>>> as the accuracy of weather forecasts, which are crucial for effective
>>>>> disaster risk management and rely strongly on climate data.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll see what I can dig up for you on open government data. But to be
>>>>> honest, I focused on Kenya, the UK, the US and India, since as far as I
>>>>> know, SA doesn't really have an articulate position on the matter (at least
>>>>> at policy level).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a good conversation. Thank you. Hope we keep it rolling :)
>>>>> Nimi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 May 2013 18:10, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nimi
>>>>>
>>>>> I like what you're saying. The Open Data Census
>>>>> (http://census.okfn.org/) already answers some of your questions.
>>>>> Coverage is not uniform though so, especially the Kenyan responses but
>>>>> we can always ask the guys at the Open Institute to fill it in to give
>>>>> us a better benchmark.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mention your research on open government data, it would be great
>>>>> to hear more about the activities in the South African space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 May 2013 16:23, rapscalian <rapscalian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Adi, I really like this idea.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think a map of what government data is currently available would be an
>>>>> > invaluable tool. This means we could also compare South Africa with
>>>>> > Kenya,
>>>>> > India etc. In this way, we could benchmark ourselves against countries
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > the global South. As a rhetorical exercise, it may be quite effective
>>>>> > because we South Africans like to think we are somehow ahead of the
>>>>> > game,
>>>>> > particularly in Africa. So when we hear we are very far behind the
>>>>> > Kenyas of
>>>>> > this world, it may awaken some misplaced sense of pride and stir a
>>>>> > little
>>>>> > action ...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I don't know how much time I can commit to helping out as I am currently
>>>>> > working in a very time-intensive environment. However, I have done some
>>>>> > research on the topic of open government data, so I am happy to
>>>>> > contribute
>>>>> > this.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>> > Nimi
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 30 April 2013 18:57, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You can never have too many cheerleaders.  :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Adi
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 30 Apr 2013 6:55 PM, "Janice Winter" <janicelwinter at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I'd be a super keen project cheerleader :)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 30 April 2013 16:31, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks Niki
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Actually, programming is just one of the many skills that are
>>>>> >>>> required. We need the following (in no particular order):
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 1. Scrapers (there are some tools that can help non-programmers
>>>>> >>>> scrape
>>>>> >>>> simple data)
>>>>> >>>> 2. Identification of worthwhile datasets
>>>>> >>>> 3. General project cheerleaders
>>>>> >>>> 4. Legal opinions would be welcome
>>>>> >>>> 5. Discussions around data availability. The more we discuss this
>>>>> >>>> amongst ourselves and in other public spaces, the more it because a
>>>>> >>>> real issue.
>>>>> >>>> 6. Possibly a bunch more - we'll figure it out as we go along.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The bottom line is - don't exclude yourself if you're not a coder.
>>>>> >>>> There are other dimensions to this problem.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> A nice side-effect of this project is that we can start putting
>>>>> >>>> together an data census in South Africa. What data is available and
>>>>> >>>> where.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Adi
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 30 April 2013 15:24, Niki Moore <nikimoore007 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> > I really wish I could help you, but not being a hacker myself I
>>>>> >>>> > wouldn't
>>>>> >>>> > know where to start.  However, what I am very happy to do is take
>>>>> >>>> > some
>>>>> >>>> > of
>>>>> >>>> > the hacked stuff and point out how useless it is in the first
>>>>> >>>> > place...
>>>>> >>>> > for
>>>>> >>>> > instance, the DSD database of NGOs is five years out of date, and
>>>>> >>>> > 90%
>>>>> >>>> > of
>>>>> >>>> > their records are wrong.  One of the biggest problems on the
>>>>> >>>> > property
>>>>> >>>> > roll
>>>>> >>>> > is that it is inaccurate.  I could go on.....
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > Maybe one of the reasons why the government is so protective of
>>>>> >>>> > their
>>>>> >>>> > information is because they know that most of it is useless for
>>>>> >>>> > purposes of
>>>>> >>>> > governance.  So - perhaps a side angle would be that it is
>>>>> >>>> > important
>>>>> >>>> > for the
>>>>> >>>> > public to have access to this information so that they can check
>>>>> >>>> > that
>>>>> >>>> > it is
>>>>> >>>> > correct!
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > N
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> >>>> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za>
>>>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> Some of you may have read an article that I posted recently on the
>>>>> >>>> >> OKFN mailing list and on the Daily Maverick with regards to the
>>>>> >>>> >> openness of government data in South Africa.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> In that article, I described an exercise that I undertook to gain
>>>>> >>>> >> commercial access to that data. I have had very few responses, all
>>>>> >>>> >> of
>>>>> >>>> >> which expressly forbid commercial use.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> As per the Copyright Act, I am not certain that most of this data
>>>>> >>>> >> qualifies for copyright protection as it usually contains a
>>>>> >>>> >> database
>>>>> >>>> >> of facts where no innovative process was used to produce said
>>>>> >>>> >> data.
>>>>> >>>> >> On
>>>>> >>>> >> the moral front, it seems absurd that data produced using public
>>>>> >>>> >> funds
>>>>> >>>> >> should be restricted in such a way. In an ideal world an open data
>>>>> >>>> >> licence would be attached to all government data allowing for
>>>>> >>>> >> re-use
>>>>> >>>> >> without permission or restriction. Please see an excerpt from a
>>>>> >>>> >> comment that I received from the legal advisor to parliament:
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> "Should you wish to request permission or a licence to use
>>>>> >>>> >> information
>>>>> >>>> >> on our webpage for commercial gain, I suggest you indicate the
>>>>> >>>> >> item
>>>>> >>>> >> you want to use and the specific purpose for its use to allow us
>>>>> >>>> >> to
>>>>> >>>> >> make an informed decision. "
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> I it is unacceptable to be required to request permission to
>>>>> >>>> >> re-use a
>>>>> >>>> >> list of MPs listed on www.parliament.gov.za
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> I would like to propose a provocative response that will hopefully
>>>>> >>>> >> spark a conversation (and despite the codename, not get me sued).
>>>>> >>>> >> Volunteers and comments and criticisms welcome.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> The idea is as follows:
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> 1. Build a website registered at www.pleasesueme.co.za
>>>>> >>>> >> 2. Scrape a bunch of data from government website, stuff that
>>>>> >>>> >> seems
>>>>> >>>> >> to
>>>>> >>>> >> not be copyrightable
>>>>> >>>> >> 3. Upload it to the website and offer it up for sale for a nominal
>>>>> >>>> >> fee. It needs to be sold so as to assert a right for general
>>>>> >>>> >> re-use.
>>>>> >>>> >> Sold data will be re-released under an open licence.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> The money (i expect very little data to be actually sold) will be
>>>>> >>>> >> used
>>>>> >>>> >> to fund a war-chest (however small) for a legal defense if it
>>>>> >>>> >> comes
>>>>> >>>> >> to
>>>>> >>>> >> that. My gut feeling is that we won't get any response at all but
>>>>> >>>> >> by
>>>>> >>>> >> being provocative, we might get people thinking about why it might
>>>>> >>>> >> be
>>>>> >>>> >> important to push open data licences within government. We might
>>>>> >>>> >> get
>>>>> >>>> >> a
>>>>> >>>> >> take-down notice which would be evaluated based on merit. I can't
>>>>> >>>> >> imagine (though I am not a lawyer) that any public agency has the
>>>>> >>>> >> time, money or wherewithal to take this to court.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> Any responses, including flames about how I'm being naive or that
>>>>> >>>> >> antagonism is not the correct approach are welcome.
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> Adi
>>>>> >>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> >> --
>>>>> >>>> >> Adi Eyal
>>>>> >>>> >> Data Specialist
>>>>> >>>> >> phone: +27 78 014 2469
>>>>> >>>> >> skype: adieyalcas
>>>>> >>>> >> linkedin: http://za.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Adi/Eyal
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 18:09:27 +0100
>>> From: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] Please Sue Me
>>> To: Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za>
>>> Cc: "okfn-za at lists.okfn.org" <okfn-za at lists.okfn.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <CAKssCpOuk=9v2Xc5xo-CnjPQqgP02DMisUjNttuzekx7zfFv6g at mail.gmail.com>
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>>> Forking back to the start of the thread:
>>>
>>> It seems there is pretty good consensus this is a worthwhile idea :-)
>>>
>>> next steps would seem to be:
>>>
>>> - Grabbing some relevant data (we've already had an offer off-list I
>>> think, or have data)
>>> - Putting up a website (I can get a nice wordpress site booted if
>>> someone (Adi?) can register the domain ...
>>>
>>> What do people think?
>>>
>>> Rufus
>>>
>>> On 30 April 2013 14:09, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>> Some of you may have read an article that I posted recently on the
>>>> OKFN mailing list and on the Daily Maverick with regards to the
>>>> openness of government data in South Africa.
>>>>
>>>> In that article, I described an exercise that I undertook to gain
>>>> commercial access to that data. I have had very few responses, all of
>>>> which expressly forbid commercial use.
>>>>
>>>> As per the Copyright Act, I am not certain that most of this data
>>>> qualifies for copyright protection as it usually contains a database
>>>> of facts where no innovative process was used to produce said data. On
>>>> the moral front, it seems absurd that data produced using public funds
>>>> should be restricted in such a way. In an ideal world an open data
>>>> licence would be attached to all government data allowing for re-use
>>>> without permission or restriction. Please see an excerpt from a
>>>> comment that I received from the legal advisor to parliament:
>>>>
>>>> "Should you wish to request permission or a licence to use information
>>>> on our webpage for commercial gain, I suggest you indicate the item
>>>> you want to use and the specific purpose for its use to allow us to
>>>> make an informed decision. "
>>>>
>>>> I it is unacceptable to be required to request permission to re-use a
>>>> list of MPs listed on www.parliament.gov.za
>>>>
>>>> I would like to propose a provocative response that will hopefully
>>>> spark a conversation (and despite the codename, not get me sued).
>>>> Volunteers and comments and criticisms welcome.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Build a website registered at www.pleasesueme.co.za
>>>> 2. Scrape a bunch of data from government website, stuff that seems to
>>>> not be copyrightable
>>>> 3. Upload it to the website and offer it up for sale for a nominal
>>>> fee. It needs to be sold so as to assert a right for general re-use.
>>>> Sold data will be re-released under an open licence.
>>>>
>>>> The money (i expect very little data to be actually sold) will be used
>>>> to fund a war-chest (however small) for a legal defense if it comes to
>>>> that. My gut feeling is that we won't get any response at all but by
>>>> being provocative, we might get people thinking about why it might be
>>>> important to push open data licences within government. We might get a
>>>> take-down notice which would be evaluated based on merit. I can't
>>>> imagine (though I am not a lawyer) that any public agency has the
>>>> time, money or wherewithal to take this to court.
>>>>
>>>> Any responses, including flames about how I'm being naive or that
>>>> antagonism is not the correct approach are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Adi
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Data Specialist
>>>> phone: +27 78 014 2469
>>>> skype: adieyalcas
>>>> linkedin: http://za.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Adi/Eyal
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 19:13:03 +0200
>>> From: Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za>
>>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] Please Sue Me
>>> To: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>>> Cc: "okfn-za at lists.okfn.org" <okfn-za at lists.okfn.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <CAEQY0Y5nzibVeLqNQm_cP53h+BU6pyLE7rtkMa2FrdaySqLrAA at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> I've registered the doman (just waiting for coza to fix their payment
>>> gateway so that I can pay for it).
>>>
>>> I've also put together a shop front website using woocommerce and have
>>> uploaded a couple of datasets there. Any contribution of skills and/or
>>> time would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Hopefully you should be able to go to http://www.pleasesueme.co.za by
>>> tomorrow and see a basic site framework.
>>>
>>> Adi
>>>
>>> On 1 May 2013 19:09, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>> Forking back to the start of the thread:
>>>>
>>>> It seems there is pretty good consensus this is a worthwhile idea :-)
>>>>
>>>> next steps would seem to be:
>>>>
>>>> - Grabbing some relevant data (we've already had an offer off-list I
>>>> think, or have data)
>>>> - Putting up a website (I can get a nice wordpress site booted if
>>>> someone (Adi?) can register the domain ...
>>>>
>>>> What do people think?
>>>>
>>>> Rufus
>>>>
>>>> On 30 April 2013 14:09, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>>> Some of you may have read an article that I posted recently on the
>>>>> OKFN mailing list and on the Daily Maverick with regards to the
>>>>> openness of government data in South Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> In that article, I described an exercise that I undertook to gain
>>>>> commercial access to that data. I have had very few responses, all of
>>>>> which expressly forbid commercial use.
>>>>>
>>>>> As per the Copyright Act, I am not certain that most of this data
>>>>> qualifies for copyright protection as it usually contains a database
>>>>> of facts where no innovative process was used to produce said data. On
>>>>> the moral front, it seems absurd that data produced using public funds
>>>>> should be restricted in such a way. In an ideal world an open data
>>>>> licence would be attached to all government data allowing for re-use
>>>>> without permission or restriction. Please see an excerpt from a
>>>>> comment that I received from the legal advisor to parliament:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Should you wish to request permission or a licence to use information
>>>>> on our webpage for commercial gain, I suggest you indicate the item
>>>>> you want to use and the specific purpose for its use to allow us to
>>>>> make an informed decision. "
>>>>>
>>>>> I it is unacceptable to be required to request permission to re-use a
>>>>> list of MPs listed on www.parliament.gov.za
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to propose a provocative response that will hopefully
>>>>> spark a conversation (and despite the codename, not get me sued).
>>>>> Volunteers and comments and criticisms welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Build a website registered at www.pleasesueme.co.za
>>>>> 2. Scrape a bunch of data from government website, stuff that seems to
>>>>> not be copyrightable
>>>>> 3. Upload it to the website and offer it up for sale for a nominal
>>>>> fee. It needs to be sold so as to assert a right for general re-use.
>>>>> Sold data will be re-released under an open licence.
>>>>>
>>>>> The money (i expect very little data to be actually sold) will be used
>>>>> to fund a war-chest (however small) for a legal defense if it comes to
>>>>> that. My gut feeling is that we won't get any response at all but by
>>>>> being provocative, we might get people thinking about why it might be
>>>>> important to push open data licences within government. We might get a
>>>>> take-down notice which would be evaluated based on merit. I can't
>>>>> imagine (though I am not a lawyer) that any public agency has the
>>>>> time, money or wherewithal to take this to court.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any responses, including flames about how I'm being naive or that
>>>>> antagonism is not the correct approach are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adi
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Adi Eyal
>>>>> Data Specialist
>>>>> phone: +27 78 014 2469
>>>>> skype: adieyalcas
>>>>> linkedin: http://za.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Adi/Eyal
>>>>>
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>>> Data Specialist
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>>> skype: adieyalcas
>>> linkedin: http://za.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Adi/Eyal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 00:46:18 +0200
>>> From: Geoffrey Kilpin <geoffreykilpin at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [okfn-za] [HacksHackers Cape Town] Please Sue Me
>>> To: "odadi at googlegroups.com" <odadi at googlegroups.com>
>>> Cc: "okfn-za at lists.okfn.org" <okfn-za at lists.okfn.org>,
>>>         hackshackers-johannesburg at googlegroups.com,
>>>         "hackshackers-capetown at googlegroups.com"
>>>         <hackshackers-capetown at googlegroups.com>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <CAFEm+Cqm0UCTJ-60CWSV_wun2s=+GdTorKduNMTzGwp2udKtPQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hi Adi,
>>>
>>> I agree that raising the issue in the national discourse is potentially
>>> useful - but perhaps it is a step that should be considered if we are
>>> unable to engage with decision makers in government.
>>>
>>> I won't pretend to know how to approach lobbying government (maybe others
>>> can contribute ideas?) - but I imagine working out who makes these
>>> decisions is the first step, followed by formulating a strategy to approach
>>> them. Comparing South African policies to other countries probably should
>>> be part of this - particularly within Africa in countries that have made
>>> more progress with open data than us, but also elsewhere. I just took a
>>> quick look at the license used for data.gov.uk - it allows commercial use (
>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/).
>>>
>>> Another approach might be to just obtain legal opinion on the use of
>>> fact-based datasets, such as municipal boundary data. It might be easier to
>>> raise funds for that, and would hopefully provide at least some peace of
>>> mind to those using this data.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Geoff.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Geoff
>>>>
>>>> I was waiting for your response :). The openly antagonist flavour of
>>>> this initiative has given me pause. The one benefit of this approach
>>>> is that it is openly controversial and will hopefully spark
>>>> discussions and raise the issue of government data into the national
>>>> discourse (at least a little).
>>>>
>>>> I'm keen to hear your thoughts though about how we could take the
>>>> alternative route of changing government policies vis a vis releasing
>>>> data into the public domain. Regardless I think our goals are the
>>>> same, i.e. changing the de facto licence under which data is made
>>>> available from restrictive to open.
>>>>
>>>> Adi
>>>>
>>>> On 1 May 2013 16:56, Geoffrey Kilpin <geoffreykilpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Adi,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your work on this and the Daily Maverick column - it is very
>>>> > interesting to hear about the responses that you've been getting. This
>>>> idea
>>>> > is very cool - but I wonder if a potentially confrontational approach is
>>>> the
>>>> > best way to start.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe the goal of all this should be that all government data is placed
>>>> in
>>>> > the public domain, as is the case in the U.S. (see
>>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Domain#Government_works).
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Geoff.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Some of you may have read an article that I posted recently on the
>>>> >> OKFN mailing list and on the Daily Maverick with regards to the
>>>> >> openness of government data in South Africa.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In that article, I described an exercise that I undertook to gain
>>>> >> commercial access to that data. I have had very few responses, all of
>>>> >> which expressly forbid commercial use.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As per the Copyright Act, I am not certain that most of this data
>>>> >> qualifies for copyright protection as it usually contains a database
>>>> >> of facts where no innovative process was used to produce said data. On
>>>> >> the moral front, it seems absurd that data produced using public funds
>>>> >> should be restricted in such a way. In an ideal world an open data
>>>> >> licence would be attached to all government data allowing for re-use
>>>> >> without permission or restriction. Please see an excerpt from a
>>>> >> comment that I received from the legal advisor to parliament:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Should you wish to request permission or a licence to use information
>>>> >> on our webpage for commercial gain, I suggest you indicate the item
>>>> >> you want to use and the specific purpose for its use to allow us to
>>>> >> make an informed decision. "
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I it is unacceptable to be required to request permission to re-use a
>>>> >> list of MPs listed on www.parliament.gov.za
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I would like to propose a provocative response that will hopefully
>>>> >> spark a conversation (and despite the codename, not get me sued).
>>>> >> Volunteers and comments and criticisms welcome.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The idea is as follows:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Build a website registered at www.pleasesueme.co.za
>>>> >> 2. Scrape a bunch of data from government website, stuff that seems to
>>>> >> not be copyrightable
>>>> >> 3. Upload it to the website and offer it up for sale for a nominal
>>>> >> fee. It needs to be sold so as to assert a right for general re-use.
>>>> >> Sold data will be re-released under an open licence.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The money (i expect very little data to be actually sold) will be used
>>>> >> to fund a war-chest (however small) for a legal defense if it comes to
>>>> >> that. My gut feeling is that we won't get any response at all but by
>>>> >> being provocative, we might get people thinking about why it might be
>>>> >> important to push open data licences within government. We might get a
>>>> >> take-down notice which would be evaluated based on merit. I can't
>>>> >> imagine (though I am not a lawyer) that any public agency has the
>>>> >> time, money or wherewithal to take this to court.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any responses, including flames about how I'm being naive or that
>>>> >> antagonism is not the correct approach are welcome.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Adi
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
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>>>> >> Data Specialist
>>>> >> phone: +27 78 014 2469
>>>> >> skype: adieyalcas
>>>> >> linkedin: http://za.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Adi/Eyal
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