[Open-data-census] Getting Sweden up to date in the Open Data Census?

Tue Jun 11 15:38:58 BST 2013

Thank you for your reply!

In Sweden we have ERP systems that contains detailed spending data for
the agency that constitutes the ministries [1]. You may access by
asking the agency maintaining the dataset. I have had it delivered on
a DVD. It contains line items, even small amounts, and information
about the category and supplier (name and org id).

However, none of it is published online and there is no clear license
(I may interpret the law in a way that allows me to use if for any
reason but there are also privacy implications which may prevent me
from maintaining a local copy online).

I will report this as available but not published and with an unclear license.

Regards,

Peter

[1]: http://www.esv.se/Verktyg--stod/Hermes/Om-Hermes/Transaktionsdatabasen/

2013/6/11 Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org>:
> Hi Samuel, Peter, all,
>
> Really good question.
>
> The short answer is that this category is for transactional level data, not
> aggregate expenditure or budget data. If that's not available this should
> reflect in the score.
>
> EG: If a ministry publish a spreadsheet of expenditures, without specifying
> the suppliers/contrators, it is not transactional spending data.
>
> I hope these examples can help provide some context:
> - UK is rated 7 out of 7 and has all government transactions available
> (above 25k): openspending.org/ukgov-25k-spending
>
> - Greece is rated 6 out of 7: As all transactions are published (though they
> miss a bulk download option, currently):
> http://diavgeia.gov.gr/en
>
> - Slovenia is rated 5 out of 7: As all transactions are available (though
> bulk and the open license is currently un-clarified):
> http://supervizor.kpk-rs.si/
>
> - Denmark is rated 3 out of 7: Though some ministries publish transactional
> spending data, this is not general policy and is not established as a right
> under FOI rules. Thus only transactions are only available on OpenSpending
> from some ministries:
> http://openspending.org/statens-indkoeb
>
> I hope this helps. I'd be glad to try and explain it further if it remains
> unclear.
>
> Best,
> Anders
>
>
> On 11 June 2013 10:04, Samuel Goëta <samgoeta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am also looking forward for some explanation on this.
>>
>> We have data on government spending but it's at high level-minister and
>> below-not transactional. But can we really say there are no dataset
>> available for government spending?
>>
>> Samuel
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Christian Villum
>> <christian.villum at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Good questions, and yes, it's sometimes a bit complicated to evaluate
>>> what sets are appropriate. I am hereby cc'ing the Census Editor discussion
>>> list (which we have also taken the liberty of subscribing you to for now,
>>> you can always easily opt out), as it's often good to hear what others have
>>> done.
>>>
>>> Could anyone here on the list give good advice to Peter on how to
>>> approach the Government Spending category?
>>>
>>> He writes:
>>>
>>> A question: regarding Government spending data (national transactional
>>> level data) - are there examples of what is a valid dataset here?
>>> Norway sems to link to the national statistics (?) and some of the others
>>> were unclear.
>>>
>>> As for your second question; this means if the data are available to the
>>> public. It should probably be rephrased to "can you access the data?".
>>>
>>> Please fire away with any other questions!
>>> Thanks for contributing,
>>>
>>> -Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Christian Villum
>>>
>>> Community Manager, Open Government Data + Local Groups Network
>>> skype: christianvillum  |  @villum
>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Peter Krantz <peter at peterkrantz.se>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> A question: regarding Government spending data (national transactional
>>>> level data) - are there examples of what is a valid dataset here?
>>>> Norway sems to link to the national statistics (?) and some of the
>>>> others were unclear.
>>>>
>>>> And what does the first question imply ("does the data exist")? I
>>>> guess all countries have spending data deep down in their ERP systems
>>>> (should be hard to run central gvmt otherwise) or do you mean that it
>>>> should exist outside the organization?
>>>>
>>>> /Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/6/10 Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org>:
>>>> > Hi Peter,
>>>> >
>>>> > Just wanted to follow up on the Open Data Census.
>>>> >
>>>> > We're still two entries short for Sweden, and I'd be really interested
>>>> > to
>>>> > hear if we could close these (even if the entry should be 0 out of 7).
>>>> >
>>>> > Let me know if I can help and thanks again for your help.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > Anders
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5 June 2013 07:56, Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi Peter,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is great to hear. I've shared the editing rights and also
>>>> >> looping in
>>>> >> Christian, who's spearheading the effort.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hope to catch you some time soon over at one of the OpenSpending
>>>> >> calls!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anders
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 5 June 2013 03:58, Peter Krantz <peter at peterkrantz.se> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sure! Add me to the spreadsheet and I'll solicitate feedback from
>>>> >>> our
>>>> >>> local opengov community.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Peter
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Den 4 jun 2013 19:06 skrev "Anders Pedersen"
>>>> >>> <anders.pedersen at okfn.org>:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Hi Peter,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> It's been a while - I hope things are good!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I'm getting back in touch as we're currently looking to improve the
>>>> >>>> coverage of the Open Data Census (http://census.okfn.org/) and
>>>> >>>> verify
>>>> >>>> existing contributions to ensure information is still up to date
>>>> >>>> and
>>>> >>>> reliable.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> One of the countries, that we'd like to better is Sweden - a few
>>>> >>>> empty
>>>> >>>> spots and maybe need for review of the info there?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I'd ask you help in doing this! There are 2 aspects:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Contributing on countries where there is missing information - you
>>>> >>>> can
>>>> >>>> do this right now, just visit http://census.okfn.org/country
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Reviewing existing contributions - you will need access to the
>>>> >>>> review
>>>> >>>> spreadsheet (just let us know and we can add you)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> This would involve a relatively small amount of time over the next
>>>> >>>> week
>>>> >>>> until June 12th and would involve both adding information yourself
>>>> >>>> and
>>>> >>>> mobilizing input and expertise from colleagues to contribute.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> It would be great if you could help bring Sweden up to date.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Let me know if you have questions and I'd be glad to help out via
>>>> >>>> Skype
>>>> >>>> or email.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Anders
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Anders Pedersen
>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anders Pedersen
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Community Coordinator  |  skype: anpehej  |  @anpe
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > Anders Pedersen
>>>> >
>>>> > Community Coordinator  |  skype: anpehej  |  @anpe
>>>> >
>>>> > The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
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