[Open-data-census] [CLARIFICATION REQUIRED] Can PSI Licence be considered an "open" license?

Wed Oct 9 17:16:07 BST 2013

Well, the bellow will be a very bitter pill to swallow here:
Irish

http://psi.gov.ie/files/2010/03/PSI-Licence.pdf is unaminously decided to
be *non-complaint* for the following reasons:

4..1.(4) conditions permissions on “not using the document” in three ways
which make the license non-compliant:

(a) for the principal purpose of advertising or promoting a particular
product or service;

Not compliant with OKD 8: No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor.

(b) for an illegal, immoral, fraudulent or dishonest purpose or in
support of the aforementioned purposes;
(d) generally in a manner which is likely to mislead others.

These go beyond the restriction permitted by OKD 6: Integrity. Clauses such
as these make permissions ambiguous, lend themselves to capriciuous
enforcement, make compatibility with other open licenses problematic, and
are generally superfluous in an open license, given that users generally
must follow laws against fraud, etc.
- See more at:
http://opendefinition.org/2012/03/24/notes-from-advisory-panel-meeting-march-2012/#sthash.5yH5LyY5.dpuf

Best,

Denis Parfenov

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On 9 October 2013 17:00, Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ton, Peter and Rufus,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. I am not a lawyer either. Now I'm even more
> puzzled.
>
> (There is an ongoing debate among local open data community members
> whether PSI open or not<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/open-data-ireland/0XSwDDneGEU>
> )
>
> Lets see if anyone on od-discuss at lists.okfn.org can add some clarity.
>
> Best,
>
> Denis Parfenov
>
> OKF Ambassador for Ireland
>
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>
> On 9 October 2013 16:51, Pieter Colpaert <pieter.colpaert at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>>  Concerning terms:
>>
>> PSI is more than open data. PSI can be made available behind a pay wall
>> (marginal cost) and as far as I understood "for non commercial purposes
>> only" is also still PSI.
>>
>> Just scrolling through the license, I've noticed that there is an article
>> which says sublicensing isn't allowed (if I understood correctly) and this
>> is certainly not an open license.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Pieter
>>
>>
>> On 10/09/2013 05:45 PM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
>>
>> Denis: suggest asking Open Definition list at
>> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/od-discuss
>>
>>  They have an official conformance process for checking licenses conform
>> to Open Definition.
>>
>>  Rufus
>>
>>
>> On 9 October 2013 16:17, Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   Tracey,
>>>
>>>  I incline to consider PSI to be open also. Just checking.
>>>
>>>  Best,
>>>
>>>  Denis
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 9 October 2013 16:14, Tracey Lauriault <Tracey.Lauriault at nuim.ie>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Denis;
>>>>
>>>> At the Hackthon in Dublin, the data invetory team had classified PSI as
>>>> open.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:09 pm
>>>> Subject: [CLARIFICATION REQUIRED] Can PSI Licence be considered an
>>>> "open" license?
>>>> To: open-data-census <open-data-census at lists.okfn.org>, Ton Zijlstra <
>>>> ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: local <local at okfn.org>, Christian Villum <christian.villum at okfn.org>,
>>>> Tracey Lauriault <Tracey.Lauriault at nuim.ie>, Flora Butcher <
>>>> daydreamer2105 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>    > Hi Ton,
>>>> >
>>>>  > As you know most of the data produced by the Irish govt agencies<http://psi.gov.ie/government-departments/>fall under PSI
>>>> license <http://psi.gov.ie/files/2010/03/PSI-Licence.pdf>.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Quick and very important question: Do we consider PSI License as
>>>> "open" license?
>>>> >
>>>>  > (I don't see PSI listed http://opendefinition.org/licenses/)<http://opendefinition.org/licenses/>
>>>> >
>>>>  > Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>>  > Best regards,
>>>> >
>>>>  > Denis Parfenov
>>>>
>>>> > OKF Ambassador for Ireland
>>>>
>>>> > m: +353863850044 I  @prfnv <https://twitter.com/prfnv> | prfnv.org<http://www.prfnv.org>
>>>>
>>>> > The Open Knowledge Foundation Empowering through Open Knowledge
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>>>>  >
>>>> >
>>>>  >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Dr. Tracey P. Lauriault
>>>> Programmable City Project
>>>> National Institute for Regional and Spatial Analysis
>>>> NUI Maynooth
>>>> Maynooth
>>>> Co. Kildare
>>>> Republic of Ireland
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 01-708-6219 and
>>>> International callers: 353-1-708-6219
>>>> Tracey.Lauriault at NUIM.ie
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>>>>
>>>>
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