[Open-data-census] [CLARIFICATION REQUIRED] Can PSI Licence be considered an "open" license?

Wed Oct 9 17:16:50 BST 2013

Hi Denis,

I've read the 2011 discussion and 2012 skype notes, and agree with the
consensus then that 4.1.4.a makes it not open. Earlier I read that
paragraph to mean something different.

I still have no problem with 4.1.4.b-d and 4.1.4.5 as they are superfluous
and covered by other regulations anyway, and can be therefore ignored by
re-users, afaic. Best to get rid of them though.

best,
Ton

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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ton, Peter and Rufus,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. I am not a lawyer either. Now I'm even more
> puzzled.
>
> (There is an ongoing debate among local open data community members
> whether PSI open or not<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/open-data-ireland/0XSwDDneGEU>
> )
>
> Lets see if anyone on od-discuss at lists.okfn.org can add some clarity.
>
> Best,
>
> Denis Parfenov
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> On 9 October 2013 16:51, Pieter Colpaert <pieter.colpaert at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>>  Concerning terms:
>>
>> PSI is more than open data. PSI can be made available behind a pay wall
>> (marginal cost) and as far as I understood "for non commercial purposes
>> only" is also still PSI.
>>
>> Just scrolling through the license, I've noticed that there is an article
>> which says sublicensing isn't allowed (if I understood correctly) and this
>> is certainly not an open license.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Pieter
>>
>>
>> On 10/09/2013 05:45 PM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
>>
>> Denis: suggest asking Open Definition list at
>> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/od-discuss
>>
>>  They have an official conformance process for checking licenses conform
>> to Open Definition.
>>
>>  Rufus
>>
>>
>> On 9 October 2013 16:17, Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   Tracey,
>>>
>>>  I incline to consider PSI to be open also. Just checking.
>>>
>>>  Best,
>>>
>>>  Denis
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 9 October 2013 16:14, Tracey Lauriault <Tracey.Lauriault at nuim.ie>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Denis;
>>>>
>>>> At the Hackthon in Dublin, the data invetory team had classified PSI as
>>>> open.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:09 pm
>>>> Subject: [CLARIFICATION REQUIRED] Can PSI Licence be considered an
>>>> "open" license?
>>>> To: open-data-census <open-data-census at lists.okfn.org>, Ton Zijlstra <
>>>> ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: local <local at okfn.org>, Christian Villum <christian.villum at okfn.org>,
>>>> Tracey Lauriault <Tracey.Lauriault at nuim.ie>, Flora Butcher <
>>>> daydreamer2105 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>    > Hi Ton,
>>>> >
>>>>  > As you know most of the data produced by the Irish govt agencies<http://psi.gov.ie/government-departments/>fall under PSI
>>>> license <http://psi.gov.ie/files/2010/03/PSI-Licence.pdf>.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Quick and very important question: Do we consider PSI License as
>>>> "open" license?
>>>> >
>>>>  > (I don't see PSI listed http://opendefinition.org/licenses/)<http://opendefinition.org/licenses/>
>>>> >
>>>>  > Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>>  > Best regards,
>>>> >
>>>>  > Denis Parfenov
>>>>
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