[open-economics] Getting involved in a working group

Gustavo Silva gustavosantaremsilva at gmail.com
Mon Feb 16 22:11:20 UTC 2015 

This is a nonprofit organization. Thus, we cannot force anyone to actively
contribute, jeopardizing their other responsibilities. That is also why we
are team and we should split our needs accordingly. I understand your
concern and I really respect that you're telling us in advance that you may
not be able to do it.
However, I must insist that people take over these small projects, allowing
other people to come onboard and brainstorm some ideas out of our initial
researches. I understand your point.

Since I have been developing a model to apply specifically to the
pharmaceutical industry for my thesis research topic, I suppose I will be
able to, theoretically, arrange something similar. But, I want people to
work with me. That is why I asked for your interest in the first place :)

Thank you for considering, Rodney.

2015-02-16 22:07 GMT+00:00 Rodney Beard <rodney.m.beard at gmail.com>:

> Will see what I can do but have a day job to consider. Re oil I can advise
> on literature and data sources but I think what has been turned up already
> is a very interesting source I haven't really seen that exploited before.
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Gustavo Silva <
> gustavosantaremsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rodney,
>>
>> I created a thread in this mailing list so that we could discuss it. I
>> even created a topic on our forums so that everyone could participate in a
>> more organized way - I know that keeping up with things in a mailing list
>> can be difficult.
>> Nevertheless, the Wiki Rating project is, unfortunately, a thing to
>> forget, for now. Maybe we will be able to get involved later.
>>
>> Rodney, I would appreciate if you could contribute more in other areas as
>> well. It seems you're quite comfortable in this topic - thus, you have some
>> literatures and approaches. What do you say about it?
>>
>> 2015-02-16 21:59 GMT+00:00 Rodney Beard <rodney.m.beard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Sorry have been a little busy. Am happy to be involved and can advise on
>>> literature and approach. Libecap's work looks a good place to start. I was
>>> having trouble trying to figure out how to access the wiki thing.
>>>
>>> Rodney
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Gustavo Silva <
>>> gustavosantaremsilva at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Rodney and Samira, have you two considered the possibility to take over
>>>> this project? I can take the lead.
>>>> If you two (and anyone interested) would like, we can schedule a
>>>> meeting via skype or google hangouts so that we can discuss more in detail
>>>> every aspect about this possible project. As I will explain soon, Wiki
>>>> Rating is not a viable choice for us, at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-02 15:36 GMT+00:00 Gustavo Silva <
>>>> gustavosantaremsilva at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Samira and Rodney,
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I would like to say I sincerely appreciate your interest
>>>>> in the group!
>>>>> You both seem to be focused in the Oil Contract theme I brought up
>>>>> before. Therefore, I am proposing you to take over this project. I can
>>>>> supervise/coordinate you guys in what you need but I don't know at what
>>>>> extent I can help you develop it. Nevertheless, I'm here to help, of course!
>>>>>
>>>>> I will open a new thread on the mailing list - to get things organized
>>>>> - and I appreciate if you could follow up the discussion there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for showing your interest!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-02-02 15:22 GMT+00:00 Rodney Beard <rodney.m.beard at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have been following this with interest, I have a resource economics
>>>>>> background. It might be worth mentioning some relevant literature at this
>>>>>> point to structure the oil contract problem a bit. From what I saw of what
>>>>>> had been done on this already there seemed little connection to the
>>>>>> economic literature on the subject. However, the database of contracts
>>>>>> seems very useful. Some literature that appears relevant (apologies it's
>>>>>> not open access):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://www.jstor.org/stable/1803310
>>>>>> http://jleo.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/2/526.short
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is of-course another way of thinking about oil contracts which
>>>>>> is in terms of contracts in the commodities markets (e.g. the ICE) but the
>>>>>> link to the contracts database suggested this literature to me.  The
>>>>>> original attempt seemed to be vague as to what type of contract was being
>>>>>> considered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodney Beard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Samira Niknami <samiraster at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Gustavo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all I want to thank you for taking up the responsibility of
>>>>>>> running this group, it's been inactive for quite a while. Next, I'd like to
>>>>>>> say that I'm eager to join the working group which is about developing a
>>>>>>> model of an oil contract.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Samira
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 1 February 2015, <open-economics-request at lists.okfn.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 01:41:39 +0000
>>>>>>>> From: Gustavo Silva <gustavosantaremsilva at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: open-economics at lists.okfn.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [open-economics] [Discussion] Projects
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>>>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My plans to restart this work group consists in calling back some
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> guys that were once involved in the group and get new people
>>>>>>>> involved. This
>>>>>>>> is a noble cause and it is not an easy task to get people involved.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> sure after we get enough resources (well, mostly human for now),
>>>>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>> will start to flow naturally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Therefore, one of the best ways to get new people is by showing
>>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>>>> and showing off great results. Unfortunately, we don't have enough
>>>>>>>> resources to fulfil some requests (for now, as far as I know) like
>>>>>>>> this one
>>>>>>>> <http://discuss.okfn.org/t/idea-brainstorm/179/2>. Considering our
>>>>>>>> lack of
>>>>>>>> resources, I believe our best bet is to try to get some of our old
>>>>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>> updated and running.
>>>>>>>> Personally, I find the failed bank tracker the best fit because it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> simpler and I have already thought about what can we do about it
>>>>>>>> <http://discuss.okfn.org/t/project-failed-bank-tracker/155/1>.
>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> apparently nobody is interested on that. Please let me know what
>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>> of my suggestions - either on the forums or by email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also found out that, previously, the group has tried to develop a
>>>>>>>> theoretical
>>>>>>>> model of an oil contract
>>>>>>>> <http://openeconomics.net/2013/10/22/open-model-of-an-oil-contract/>.
>>>>>>>> Seems
>>>>>>>> that project didn't go very far. Do you think we could revive it?
>>>>>>>> Seems we
>>>>>>>> have this  crisis in that industry so it looks like a great
>>>>>>>> opportunity.
>>>>>>>> It can be very troublesome, but if we have enough economists in the
>>>>>>>> group,
>>>>>>>> I am pretty sure we can develop something very interesting, under CC
>>>>>>>> licenses, and prove it using open data. There are a lot of open
>>>>>>>> groups that
>>>>>>>> can help us on that, like Open Oil. Open Data, Open Spending and
>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>> Government (just a few). The idea would be to try and explain how
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> firms behave in their industry and what really counts when they
>>>>>>>> define
>>>>>>>> their prices (or quantities). What are your thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also thought about using open data to investigate about the
>>>>>>>> effectiveness
>>>>>>>> of the austerity measures the European Union has implemented
>>>>>>>> throughout
>>>>>>>> time, since 2008. What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am running out of ideas for new projects. I would really
>>>>>>>> appreciate your
>>>>>>>> help for the time being. Since I am still waiting to get access to
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> social media channels (namely, our Twitter account)  and website,
>>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>>> the perfect time to develop a project and publish it, or even
>>>>>>>> advertise it,
>>>>>>>> after I get access to the social media channels. How we will
>>>>>>>> proceed in
>>>>>>>> regard to any project we decide to go for, we will discuss that in
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> email. Let's focus on getting a project to get started and then we
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> arrange our necessary conditions.
>>>>>>>> Feel free to brought to discuss ANY project you may have think of.
>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>> something in your daily job or something you can use to extend your
>>>>>>>> master's thesis/research paper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos,
>>>>>>>> Gustavo
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos,
>>>>> Gustavo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos,
>>>> Gustavo
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> --
>> Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos,
>> Gustavo
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Best Regards / Obrigado e com os melhores cumprimentos,
Gustavo
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