[Open-Legislation] French civil code on git

Francis Davey fjmd1a at gmail.com
Wed Apr 8 10:34:48 UTC 2015

2015-04-08 11:20 GMT+01:00 stef <s at ctrlc.hu>:
> well the data is there, to show diffs, you really don't need git. by using
> github, you only 1/ put yourself at the mercy of a commercial service
> provider

The data may be "there" but I don't know where "there" is for French
legislation - so this is nice because I can find it easily.

> 2/ externalize the development costs of a proper userinterface for doing
> diffs. 3/ you ignore at4am.
I spent 5 minutes at at4am and have no idea what is usable there.

Eg the page:



Provide the URL to an Akoma Ntoso document in argument of the editor URL:

But what editor is this? Where do I get it. Hard to tell. For example:


has a two word README that doesn't tell me what I am supposed to do with
the source once I have got it. Presumably there's a java applet or
something that I run somehow.

There's just nothing obvious on that site on *how* I actually make use of
anything there, so I hope that explains why I might be pleased to see some
other tool that I do understand how to use.

Are there amendments to the French Civil Code there (for instance)? If not,
then it is hardly an alternative. Maybe they are available somehow that
way, but in an undocumented way.

So, indeed, github is a commercial service, but so are most web services.
At least it uses a standard system (git) which can be used elsewhere.

> > Github also makes it easy to clone the corpus elsewhere.
> that is a feature of git, not github. also why would you do that? how
> often is
> that a requirement, and how often is git data the best format to do further
> processing?

What alternatives are there? I mean ones I can actually use right now and
that don't require me to write extensive code to access? I had a look at
Akoma Ntoso and decided that it was hopelessly wrong in design for
representing actual legal texts and haven't bothered to look further.

Being able to clone onto my desktop means I can read it when I am offline,
simply, without having to worry about a brand new bit of software and

> > I agree that pull requests may be unrealistic, but there is nothing even
> hah, of course. but even blame is unrealistic.

I didn't suggest blame as a reason. That was someone else.

> > vaguely like that for professional engagement with UK legislation.
> Drafting
> > amendments to existing law would be easier if they could be submitted
> like
> > that.
> to me this looks like people with hammers running around and seeing nails
> everywhere.

Not me.

Francis Davey
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