[open-science] Toward tool support for tracking data citations

Heather Piwowar hpiwowar at gmail.com
Fri Nov 19 21:34:44 UTC 2010

Hi Peter,

Good points.  I agree, the scope of the current effort is very small:
 simply to enable tracking citations of a certain form using a number of
existing tools.

Calculating and disseminating useful metrics for the wide range of research
products is a much more difficult (and important) issue.

YES agreed on value of open citation systems rather than the current closed
systems.  MUCH more valuable, in a paradigm-shifting way.

At this same time, there is immense value in tracking new research products
NOW, the "standard" way, in parallel with building open systems for the
future, even given the limited ways the closed-system data can be obtained
and extracted and understood and disseminated.  I think the benefits that
standard citation measurements will bring to recognition of nontraditional
research products outweighs the disadvantages.  I can understand that
opinions on such an approach may vary, though.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> First, many thanks for the work you have put in. It's going to take a lot
> of community effort and I hope peolple can join in.
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Heather Piwowar <hpiwowar at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hi open science list,
>> Since citations to datasets and other nontraditional research products is
>> a subject near and dear to our hearts, I wanted to spread the word about a
>> just-launched open document: A Community Hub<https://docs2.google.com/document/d/1mHYlu3IU3q6RaJfkxyNZQcykYMB-iak4N2Gd3fNgd2Q/edit?hl=en#>
>>  for* improving tool support for tracking citations to nontraditional
>> products*.
>> One immediate problem is that these resources must be identified. In UKPMC
> and other projects people have been looking at DataCite. If you go beyond
> data how do you measure it? For example our software has had >>200,000
> downloads (measured by Microsoft). I probably trust this figure in general
> but I have no idea about it in detail. Would software come under this?
> accesses to web services?
>> As you may know, it is not currently possible<http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/tracking-dataset-citations-using-common-citation-tracking-tools-doesnt-work/> to
>> track citations to datasets through Scopus and ISI Web of Science, even if
>> the datasets have DOIs or other recognized identifiers.   The purpose of
>> this hub is to provide:
>>    - a central meeting ground for the many individuals and organizations
>>    interested in this issue
>>    - a living document that captures current unmet needs
>>    - an area to inventory and develop initiatives to encourage vendors to
>>    address these issues as soon as possible
>> I would prefer to see citations of all sorts made open rather than working
> to help vendors produce closed products.  But I'm afraid I have OKF-disease
> at present. I want everything open. David Shotton ("David Shotton"
> <david.shotton AT zoo DOTox DOT ac DOTuk,  is working on Open citations -
> suggest you contact him
>> Please check it out<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mHYlu3IU3q6RaJfkxyNZQcykYMB-iak4N2Gd3fNgd2Q/edit?hl=en>,
>> add what you know, and send the link around to others you know who care
>> about this issue so that we can achieve data citation tracking through
>> Scopus and Web of Science ASAP.
> My concern is that the collection of metrics by commercial companies is
> opaque and hence potentially flawed. Moreover you cannot use these data for
> schmolarly research - or if you do you are not allowed to publissh the
> results. So I would be concerned about helping to perpetuate this. I can
> give more info by skype.
> P.
>> Sincerely,
>> Heather
>> --
>> Heather Piwowar
>> DataONE postdoc with NESCent and Dryad
>>   remote from Dept of Zoology, UBC, Vancouver Canada
>> hpiwowar at nescent.org
>> http://researchremix.org
>> @researchremix
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> Peter Murray-Rust
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> University of Cambridge
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Heather Piwowar

DataONE postdoc with NESCent and Dryad
  remote from Dept of Zoology, UBC, Vancouver Canada
hpiwowar at nescent.org
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