[open-science] Possibly interesting for this list: see item 3 in particular

William Gunn william.gunn at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 04:15:44 UTC 2014


What gets on my nerves is the suggestion that this event, which is very
much an independent effort by a group of people who want to solve
interesting problems, is actually some sort of PR stunt. The bad things
Elsevier does don't make the good things any less good and the good things
don't make the bad things any less bad.

I'm kinda done with this thread now. If you are interested, let them know
via the link.

William Gunn | 6506141749 | @mrgunn

On Oct 21, 2014 9:08 PM, "Mr. Puneet Kishor" <punk.kish at gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:35 AM, William Gunn <william.gunn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Puneet, it's a large organization. There are some people who get it and
> really want to do the right things and there are some people who are less
> progressive.
> Sorry, didn't mean to out you on the defensive, and this is definitely not
> about you.
> But, my general notion is that Elsevier is just puzzling to me. It does
> its best, as a whole, to be about as unfriendly as possible to the open
> movement and to scientists, and then pops up in the most unlikely places
> holding and sponsoring events, etc. Reminds me of how a certain very large
> GIS company used to behave toward the open geospatial community but then
> would sponsor lunches at open geo conferences, trying to buy its way via
> developers' stomachs. MSFT/Novell did the same in their heyday. Those are
> unsavory memories. The whole Elsevier TDM license business has not been
> very progressive at all, and definitely TDM is a cause close to my (and
> PMR's) heart. My colleagues have suffered needlessly.
> If and when the day comes that Elsevier becomes a fair and progressive
> publisher that balances its fair profit making with promoting open,
> participative and collaborative science, I will be the first to applaud
> them. I don't think any reasonable person would grudge anyone a fair profit
> and promotion of open science. We can all live with that.
> Puneet.
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