[open-science] [Open-access] Elsevier: some facts, by Tim Gowers

[Michelle Brook]

Puneet, I'm also exploring subscription costs in the UK outside of just
Elsevier.FOI responses should be returned within the next week, so I can
let you know more then.

And to reiterate Tom's point - I'm really keen to see as much of this data
captured in one place as possible (across countries, across publishers). It
would be great if someone on this list could commit to running with this! I
also agree with Tom that this data should be made openly available on
figshare/other open data publisher when thats done.

Toolwise - might it be sensible to boot up a googledoc or wiki page to
start capturing the data?

Michelle


On 2 May 2014 15:47, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> I think re-use data will be very difficult to FOI. When I asked some
> universities for restrictive clauses they said "we have lots of departments
> and it is too expensive to ask them all". I'd guess that a substantial
> amount of re-use payments were through departments - it will depend on how
> centralised the universities are.
>
> Note that re-use rights also occur through CCC which offers the e-payment
> web site RightsLink. The bills here can be huge - I have no idea whether
> many people pay them. Find your favourite TA publisher, and click on reuse
> rights on the HTML landing page and simulate being an educator in the form.
>
> P.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Stuart Lawson <stuart.a.lawson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yes I'm keeping it as up to date as I can. It's for my job so I can't
>> open up editing rights, but anyone who has that link can view it.
>>
>>
>> On 2 May 2014 14:51, P Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome! is this spreadsheet being kept up to date by you Stuart? I am
>>> going to also assume I can share this widely. Let me know if I am wrong in
>>> that assumption.
>>>
>>> Would be really nice to get NPG's numbers (even if estimates) and in
>>> fact, of entire Macmillan.
>>>
>>> Other random, quick observations. Profit margins don't seem to be
>>> correlated with evilness. One of the most reviled publishers (at least from
>>> "n" of 1) has a very slim margin. Two very respected publishers have
>>> reasonable to low margins, etc.
>>>
>>> Many thanks again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Stuart Lawson <stuart.a.lawson at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nature Publishing Group don't publish their financial results. for
>>>> those that do, see:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al2yRSSAaU2vdHBKQ3pMUXNUeXZGVnB2dG1Cakp4X0E&usp=drive_web#gid=2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 May 2014 14:40, P Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Scott, others,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:33 AM, S.C. Edmunds <
>>>>> scott at gigasciencejournal.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If Tom is compiling the per country comparisons
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Per country comparisons are great, but is there a way to find out
>>>>> profit margins and expenses for other publishers such as Science, Nature,
>>>>> well, all others, as well? Is there a canonical resource for such data?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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