[open-science] Why are we leaving it to Google?

Mon Sep 10 16:33:32 UTC 2018

+1; I couldn't support the initiative (since I'm not on Twitter) but I find
the argument to support non-commercial infrastructures valid.

@Peter: In my opinion, a bit more info on the reasoning would be important
to start an informed discussion (e.g., blogpost).

2018-09-10 18:20 GMT+02:00 Emanuil Tolev <emanuil at cottagelabs.com>:

> Well, there's value in having people funded to think about those things
> independently on medium and long term. That's why https://doaj.org
> exists. It probably provides a better search experience in some ways and
> worse in other ways/contexts. Either way the org behind it is very useful
> and the people on the editorial team have gathered quite a lot of
> interesting knowledge that orgs like SCOSS and SPARC, foundations, funders
> etc. then make use of. Google eng wouldn't think of the problems in the
> same way as the open science people involved in the open* mailing lists and
> DOAJ.
>
> Greetings,
> Emanuil
>
> On 10 September 2018 at 15:52, Thomas Krichel <krichel at openlib.org> wrote:
>
>>   Peter Kraker writes
>>
>> > As you may have heard, Google is building a search engine for datasets
>> > (https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-it-easier-
>> discover-datasets/).
>> > This means yet another proprietary index on top of our own data that
>> > nobody can reuse - and another inferior list-based interface that will
>> > be pushed onto scientists by Google's sheer market dominance.
>>
>>   Inferior to what?
>>
>> > At the same time, there is no funding for a community-driven open source
>> > alternative. We should not leave the field to Google, or science will be
>> > poorer for it!
>>
>>   I agree but if there is the choice between building a second
>>   interface to search when there is already one funded by Google, and
>>   efforts to build actually open datasets, I think it's better to
>>   concentrate on the latter. I am convinced that are ways to build
>>   specific engines using aggregation of certain types of datasets that
>>   leave us with plenty of opportunities at a level of fine
>>   granualarity that Google will not reach.
>>
>> > We finally need to invest in a true open science
>> > contender for research data discovery. This would bring meaningful
>> > competition to this space and drive innovation.
>> >
>> > This is why we have launched the #DontLeaveItToGoogle campaign. I
>> > encourage you to add your own voice to the discussion using this
>> > hashtag.
>>
>>   Why leave the campaign to Twitter? ;-)
>>
>>   And why crosspost to opencon-discussion-list at googlegroups.com? It's
>>   a group I can't seem to be able to join without having a Google id.
>>   I refuse to get that. I emailed the moderator but got no reply.
>>
>>   So I am no friend of Google's but I don't think trying to beat them
>>   at the search game is a good idea. There is more to life that
>>   search.
>>
>> --
>>
>>   Cheers,
>>
>>   Thomas Krichel                  http://openlib.org/home/krichel
>>                                               skype:thomaskrichel
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