[open-science] Why are we leaving it to Google?

Peter Kraker pkraker at openknowledgemaps.org
Mon Sep 10 16:52:15 UTC 2018 

Happy to also talk on here, or any other platform for that matter :)
Here's a blogpost, albeit a short one:
https://science20.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/dontleaveittogoogle/

Best,
Peter

On 10/09/2018 18:33, Benedikt Fecher wrote:
> +1; I couldn't support the initiative (since I'm not on Twitter) but I
> find the argument to support non-commercial infrastructures valid. 
>
> @Peter: In my opinion, a bit more info on the reasoning would be
> important to start an informed discussion (e.g., blogpost).
>
> 2018-09-10 18:20 GMT+02:00 Emanuil Tolev <emanuil at cottagelabs.com
> <mailto:emanuil at cottagelabs.com>>:
>
>     Well, there's value in having people funded to think about those
>     things independently on medium and long term. That's why
>     https://doaj.org exists. It probably provides a better search
>     experience in some ways and worse in other ways/contexts. Either
>     way the org behind it is very useful and the people on the
>     editorial team have gathered quite a lot of interesting knowledge
>     that orgs like SCOSS and SPARC, foundations, funders etc. then
>     make use of. Google eng wouldn't think of the problems in the same
>     way as the open science people involved in the open* mailing lists
>     and DOAJ.
>
>     Greetings,
>     Emanuil
>
>     On 10 September 2018 at 15:52, Thomas Krichel <krichel at openlib.org
>     <mailto:krichel at openlib.org>> wrote:
>
>           Peter Kraker writes
>
>         > As you may have heard, Google is building a search engine
>         for datasets
>         >
>         (https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-it-easier-discover-datasets/
>         <https://www.blog.google/products/search/making-it-easier-discover-datasets/>).
>         > This means yet another proprietary index on top of our own
>         data that
>         > nobody can reuse - and another inferior list-based interface
>         that will
>         > be pushed onto scientists by Google's sheer market dominance.
>
>           Inferior to what?
>
>         > At the same time, there is no funding for a community-driven
>         open source
>         > alternative. We should not leave the field to Google, or
>         science will be
>         > poorer for it!
>
>           I agree but if there is the choice between building a second
>           interface to search when there is already one funded by
>         Google, and
>           efforts to build actually open datasets, I think it's better to
>           concentrate on the latter. I am convinced that are ways to build
>           specific engines using aggregation of certain types of
>         datasets that
>           leave us with plenty of opportunities at a level of fine
>           granualarity that Google will not reach.
>
>         > We finally need to invest in a true open science
>         > contender for research data discovery. This would bring
>         meaningful
>         > competition to this space and drive innovation.
>         >
>         > This is why we have launched the #DontLeaveItToGoogle
>         campaign. I
>         > encourage you to add your own voice to the discussion using this
>         > hashtag.
>
>           Why leave the campaign to Twitter? ;-)
>
>           And why crosspost to
>         opencon-discussion-list at googlegroups.com
>         <mailto:opencon-discussion-list at googlegroups.com>? It's
>           a group I can't seem to be able to join without having a
>         Google id.
>           I refuse to get that. I emailed the moderator but got no reply.
>
>           So I am no friend of Google's but I don't think trying to
>         beat them
>           at the search game is a good idea. There is more to life that
>           search.
>
>         -- 
>
>           Cheers,
>
>           Thomas Krichel                 
>         http://openlib.org/home/krichel <http://openlib.org/home/krichel>
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