[wsfii-discuss] Re: More on maps -was- Re: [Community] Worldwide Map of wireless communities ?

Thu Jul 13 12:20:29 UTC 2006

I like. Providing a global mapping and listings is a good example of SNP :)
Certainly, that will have a small value add by just listing any visible 
ssid like in a war-driving contest, and makes more sense to aggregate 
information of free infrastructures.
Good idea to setup servers, just willing to see if I can help who wants 
to build one.
I don't care about having a "centralized data" as long as we agree on 
how to interchange it (SNP). I mean, as long as a new the map server 
understads GML, we can export the guifi.net information to it, and from 
the guifi point of view, we'll be happy to be mapped given that is about 
free infrastructures.
Personaly I liked mapscript, not because is a web-service oriented 
software, if necessary you still have a chance for redirecting to 
another site while zooming in a certain region.

En/na Ken DiPietro ha escrit:
> To all,
>
> I believe one of the principal architects in the FreeNetworks.org 
> resource is Matt Westervelt (of SeattleWireless fame) and I have cc'ed 
> this email to him. We can see where that takes us and whether he will 
> join this discussion.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Ken DiPietro
>
> michel memeteau wrote:
>> Hi all , For sure Guifi could become a central point to get a global 
>> view of
>> worlwide wireless networks.
>>  But I guess we could maybe go for a simple MAP hosted on 
>> freenetworks , that
>> would give all the pin points and their status, and then redirect to the
>> mapping system of the community. Then Each community is free to use 
>> whatever,
>> but the important point is that their mapping system give a way to 
>> "syndicate"
>> their nodes including the node status ( UP, down, unknow )
>> like ramon has started to explain on
>> http://summit.airjaldi.com/wiki/index.php/SNP_Architecture
>>
>>
>> SO , what I thought was a simple MAP on http://map.freenetworks.org
>>
>> I could create it using :
>> http://anomoly.freenetworks.org/__fnorg/signup.php
>>
>> But is it the right way ? Who is runing Freenetworks.org ? Is this 
>> website
>> visited a lot compared to Red libre , athen or other Meta sites ?
>>
>> On this MAP , i would see
>> - only free ( gratis ) and open networks ( could be without internet ) .
>> - A simple fill-in form, giving an email address, giving your map 
>> website , and
>> your XML nodes URL ( like the wifidog ones , but other formats could 
>> be used
>> like the ones from Guifi , athens etc ...) .
>> Then we could Sum up all the nodes of the world and we would see that 
>> we don't
>> need " closed communities" like F** to build paying hotspots ....
>> We shall give a try in the next few weeks I guess, on
>> http://carte.wireless-fr.org
>>
>> This is a very short and simplistic answer to your long email Ramon , 
>> I'll try
>> to go deeply...
>>
>> Last question : was would be right now the central directory of wireless
>> communities ?
>> http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessCommunities
>>
>> or http://freenetworks.org ?
>> other meta sites ?  is there a database where all this data are 
>> present ?
>> Example : could be a good thing to have at least on Guy of each 
>> community
>> subscribed to this list... ( community at freenetworks.org )
>>
>> Cheers all ...
>>
>>
>> Selon Ramon Roca <ramon.roca at guifi.net>:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi michel, (and everybody)
>>>
>>> Not so far from you, at guifi.net, we have recently developed a new 
>>> map services for meet out growing requirements and scalability, 100% 
>>> based on open source and free public resources (mapserver, public 
>>> maps, etc). I'm pleased to use this reply to announce it here, and 
>>> also post to the WSFII list (sorry).
>>>
>>> You can see it live at http://maps.guifi.net
>>>
>>> We've built it in a way that can be used worldwide, people just have 
>>> to find our their local map sources and add them, i.e. if you drill 
>>> down into catalonia, you'll get ortophoto details up to 5K 
>>> resolution.. . data is feeded also in open xml formats (in our case, 
>>> extracted from our drupal module application, you can see our 
>>> database at http://guifi.net/guifi_zones ).
>>>
>>> To give an example, here is my node:
>>>
>>>     
>> http://maps.guifi.net/world.phtml?Pointer=Y&local_maps=Y&Supernodes=Y&NodesAP=Y&NodesClient=Y&NodesProjected=Y&LinksWDS=Y&LinksClient=Y&LinksOffline=Y&Lang=ca&ViewRegion=Veure+directament&minx=2.165619&miny=41.908991&maxx=2.301663&maxy=42.011024&imagewidth=600&imageheight=450&mainmap.x=323&mainmap.y=169&CMD=ZOOM_IN&KEYMAPXSIZE=120&KEYMAPYSIZE=90&kminx=0.127079&kminy=40.465125&kmaxx=3.371953&kmaxy=42.898781&MapSize=600%2C450&CMD=ZOOM_IN&PREVIOUS_MODE=1 
>>
>>  
>>> We did in that way instead of Google maps because of several 
>>> reasons. Mapserver is opensource, google currently does not provide 
>>> this level of details in our rural areas, where our network is most 
>>> developed, google javascripts may suck on zones with hundreds of 
>>> nodes like ours, and requires an agreement where they talk about 
>>> some undefined "reserved rights". Not to mention that Google is 
>>> somewhat involved in that "mouvement".
>>>
>>> 100% agree on you pints. IMHO I do think that worldwide free network 
>>> infrastructures lacks of a global view (or I'm not aware of it, 
>>> sorry if I do miss something relevant). Many other databases you 
>>> just don't know about what really they are about...
>>>
>>> To allow interoperability between every community way of 
>>> storing/managing their network information, and still be able to 
>>> aggregate information, we are developing what we call "nodexchange" 
>>> format. This map application already implements some of the 
>>> nodexchange features.
>>>
>>> We have those maps available to everybody on a svn, and at guifi.net 
>>> we'll be very happy to help in porting this to other sites, or 
>>> include more local maps resources from other countries or regions 
>>> (currently only Catalonia, Spain and US)...
>>>
>>> We just ask to any potential adopter to be a truly communtity style 
>>> free network, we are using our version of the Wireless Commons, but 
>>> anything similar like picopeer agreements etc will be ok,  we just 
>>> want to avoid to get listed by some speculative "mouvements" which 
>>> we do still don't know what they really build and in which terms. 
>>> I'm sure that everybody understands.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers to everybody,
>>> Ramon Roca.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> En/na michel memeteau ha escrit:
>>>
>>>    
>>>> Hi , I'm new to this list but it's been few months I discovered
>>>>       
>>> freenetworks.org
>>>    
>>>> and I hope it's gonna become a wordwide movement taking over 
>>>> commercial
>>>>       
>>> pseudo
>>>    
>>>> "mouvement " ( do you see who I'm talking about ?)
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to know if there is already a map for finding Worldwide 
>>>> communities
>>>>       We started one with france
>>>> http://carte.wireless-fr.org/
>>>>
>>>> And right now the datas are in a XML file
>>>>
>>>> http://carte.wireless-fr.org/assoce_status.xml
>>>>
>>>> But this could be in a SQL Database ....
>>>>
>>>> I always thought freenetworks.org was the place for this kind of 
>>>> map, even
>>>> another map with worldwide internet-providing  active access points 
>>>> ( using
>>>> Wifidog for example ) would show people we don't need commercial 
>>>> mouvement
>>>>       
>>> ...
>>>    
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think about mapping and if this has already 
>>>> been done
>>>>       
>>> ...
>>>    
>>>> cheers
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>       
>>
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