[wsfii-discuss] Economic Sustainability of Community Wireless(sorry had to resend due to incorrect hyperlink)

Fri Apr 6 06:43:15 UTC 2007

Ashram,

I might be in a "developed country", but still living in an area with no 
broadband access, and my need is for *today* also.
To say that I don't love freedom sounds to me *very unpolite* from your 
part.
Be sure that business models of choice could make the difference between 
building a developed country, or keep it with the permanent need of 
subsidization or being a food for parasites. We can be in a mistake 
while doing the choice, we are human being, but there is no mistake in 
that those two types of of business models exist, so i recommend you to 
take your time to analyze things carefully.
And by the way, you are talking about an angel or just your imagination? 
Did that angel really help you?

En/na Assoc of Public ICT Tools Access Prov ha escrit:
> Ramon,
>      Your point clearly brings in the difference of approach in a 
> developing country & developed.
> Who won't love the FREEdom .  Today I do not have anything to choose 
> from, so well as might let me make choice.
> The community networks however we deny requires huge leadership  & a 
> large seed capital.  The cooperative movement is missing. In India the 
> the last successful cooperative happened some 40 years ago.  & I 
> cannot keep waiting for it to revive . My need is for TODAY. 
>
> The Emerging economy actually needs the cutting technology the most 
> but don't have that  leadership.  Only Social entrepreneurship  can 
> succeed , with some profits instead of no profits to remain independent.
>
> The comparison is like between a Walmart & E-bay.   They both may make 
> many unhappy but at least have a choice.  & of course WSFII can show 
> case more model which have been successful & under what circumstances. 
> Djursland was lucky to have Bjarke .  So either  we should  set up a 
> large scale Human clone facility .  or leave  it to free enterprise . 
> Just make all the secrets open. ( which any way we are doing ) . there 
> will be little left in throttling an enterprise.
> The Enterprise pays for execution & not hot talk shop which are 
> indulging . ;-) .
>
> Thus I completely agree with you  but as I don't see an Angel around  
> &  I am reluctantly ready to settle with lesser evil. 
>
> Ashish
>
>
>    
>
> On 4/5/07, *Ramon Roca* <ramon.roca at guifi.net 
> <mailto:ramon.roca at guifi.net>> wrote:
>
>     En/na Assoc of Public ICT Tools Access Prov ha escrit:
>     >
>     >
>     > So if Voice is a killer app & if you can help bring a plan where you
>     > can not only reduce your budget  & maybe as well Profit from
>     > Participation, like a FON http://www.fon.com/en/ . by investing
>     > nominal money.
>     Good news to see interest from IT companies in developing technology
>     suitable for developing wireless communities/entrepreneurs.
>     Having said that, be careful with the examples mentioned and be away
>     from any confusion. In this case, although there is an intensive
>     use of
>     the "community" aesthetics and philanthropist look, is a private held
>     company, and in reality their attitude has been aggressive to any
>     other
>     community which is not them or denying any form of net neutrality:
>     Instead of helping communities or providing broadband access to
>     everyone, they are only interested in who already have broadband
>     access
>     and give it to them for free to resell to those who don't have,
>     forcing
>     to be a only provider.
>     Please note that their model is very much invasive (only works if the
>     private company is dominant) and parasite (feeded by those who
>     already
>     have something to give away).
>
>     And since they started they operations, and is going to be 2 years
>     from
>     now, they have been very loyal to their principles, with no exception,
>     and no changes, although have been several times warned about all
>     of this.
>
>     Just think twice, if that model works, we'll have just another
>     monopoly.
>     Don't listen just the nice words they say, please look to what they do
>     and what's really behind.
>
>     I would not say that's any model of economic sustainability. There
>     is a
>     lots of other better examples.
>
>
>
>
>
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