[wsfii-discuss] Economic Sustainability of Community Wireless

Thu Apr 26 18:22:01 UTC 2007

On Apr 26, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Aaron Kaplan wrote:

>
>
> Hi people,
>
> sorry, all this talk about living without money is a bit... well..  
> retro
>

ok, because somebody got upset by the above (sorry):
I did not mean to criticize people who read Marx more current  
macroeconomic theory or Bakunin. Sure has its values and shortcomings  
etc. But what I wanted to point out was that:

1) CWN (community wireless networks) are small players
2) being a small player you don't have so many resources
3) hence you have to find a good model to survive (buy bandwidth etc)

So our strength came from simply doing things. And constructing  
networks. Things where people see the immediate benefit.

I think any approach to sustainability models has to take into  
account the same principles:

    -> create something that people understand and where they can see  
some benefit

For me the colocation at funkfeuer is something like that.  
Effectively the BW needs of the funkfeuer CWN is covered (and yes,  
this was only the start :)

my humble opinion + all the best + keep your feet firmly on the  
ground :) ,
a.

> Anyay, without having read all of the mails of this long thread  
> before, I want to simply
> point you to our sustanability answer for the Vienna funkfeuer.at  
> network:
>
> http://housing.funkfeuer.at
>
> It works very well, people put their servers into our housing / co- 
> location cellar , they have a benefit from it (good inet  
> connection) and the wireless community network (funkfeuer) gets  
> bandwidth.
> It is neither a corporation / nor a company but simply a way to  
> make our freenet sustainable for years to come.
>
> voila!
>
> best regards,
> aaron.
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2007, at 2:22 PM, marco wrote:
>
>> hi thomas
>>
>>
>> Thomas M. wrote:
>>>
>>> reading all these texts on business model, economic sustainability,
>>> ... I started thinking about what is the economical model, in my way
>>> of understanding it is model of society based primarily on money,  
>>> And
>>> I thought isnit a way to have an alternative kind of society  
>>> based on
>>> others values than money?
>> I do agree so far but want to add that the living without money,
>> virtual, paper or coins, is an ideal, a good one certainly. our  
>> society
>> is so deeply structured by markets (and markets base and  
>> commodities as
>> money is this special commodity for exchange) that we cannot just
>> switch, even if all people would have this idea spontaniously. u have
>> been implicating it - i just wanted to expilcate ...
>>
>> the frontline is set by economical power today. to work out something
>> means to get independend from profitmaximisation and shareholders.
>> people, currently bare of resources and means of production, have  
>> to get
>> economical power in a structured way, having short/longterm  
>> strategies
>> to work at. the democratisation of economy is the core of what i  
>> believe
>> have to be done. and this means a fight against previleges,  
>> exploitation
>> and oppression at all levels of society ... good intentions are not
>> sufficient. we need networking, strategies and structuring on that  
>> behalf!
>> have anybody seen the documentary "The Corporation"?
>>
>> http://www.thecorporation.com/
>>
>> grts, marco, berlin
>>
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