[wsfii-discuss] WSFII.org website in pity full state!

Wed Jun 13 20:00:05 UTC 2007

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:44:54 -0400, "Ian Howard"
<ihoward at netdotworking.com> said:
> All,
> 
> Not to be a thorn, but I would encourage us not to lose site of the
> original ideals of WSFII, that is an open, collaborative and
> self-organizing endeavour, modelled around open source. In that light, I
> would suggest that we not appoint someone to be in charge, but that we
> encourage some individuals to focus their contributions on particular
> aspects of this effort. If anything we should certainly focus on making
> sure that we really encourage some local on the ground people to do
> participate more. Leaders in open source pull things together and
> encourage participation of others.
> 
Nice words but are they really of this world?
I think Fred meant by his 'putting in charge' that if work is to be done
somebody has to take the lead.
If nobody takes the lead and there is nobody 'in charge' then where are
we going to.
This don't mean that we need a kind of Hitler to marched in front of the
troops.
We would certainly let this happen at all. Bu we need en lighted people
that shows us the road ahead.
'Self-organizing endeavour' come out of books and with books we describe
thing that passed.

> So, to answer Tomas' questions:
> 
> So who take the lead?  No one, this is a self-organizing effort
And out of this self-organizing effort comes what ? a leader?

> When do we organize?  again, self-organize
And what happens if we got two self-organizing mechanisms? 

> When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and plan?  there
> should be an effort to encourage contributions and a wide call for input
> and distributed decision making.
At first we need a direction: where are we going ?

> 
> Anyone who knows me will know that this self-organizing arrangement is
> not one that came naturally for this ex-soldier, though, I believe in
> open source and I believe that if we buy-in to the process of
> self-organization and that we work to optimize collaboration that this
> will be something fruitful. Not only will we pull off a meeting, but we
> will pull off another self-organizing event.
The problem is with self-organizing communities that there has to be
someone to point out to this direction (and take the lead).
It is not "if this" or "if that". It is "and this" "and that" and work
together on multiple levels.
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/714


> 
> Cheers!
Cheers to you! I'll now take a beer.

Gerard
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> Fred Pook wrote:
> > Hiya,
> > I am happy this thread is picking up and we are chatting..
> > IMHO I would put Ashish in charge of this effort of making the WSFII
> > online presence a solid one.
> > Please reply if there are objections to this
> >
> > Thanks Fred
> >
> >
> > On 6/5/07, Thomas Maketa <tmaketa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So who take the lead ?
> >> When do we organize?
> >> When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and plan?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/5/07, Rob Dyke < rob at comwifinet.com> wrote:
> >> > Ashish, All,
> >> >
> >> > Here is my offer of contributing time and effort for the critical
> >> > infrastructure side of things. I've much kit and much caboodle, *some*
> >> > time... All donated towards WSFII.
> >> >
> >> > Looks like there are a couple of things immediately arising from this
> >> > thread....
> >> > * Web presence overhaul - tool and template
> >> > * Import of OKFN hosted info
> >> > * Support for translations
> >> >
> >> > I'm lurking with Saul in IRC.... let's continue this thread and
> >> chatter
> >> >
> >> > Rob
> >> >
> >> > Saul Albert wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:39:15AM +0530, Assoc of Public ICT Tools
> >> Access Prov wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>    Henceforth can we think of building a team of say 3 people
> >> for the
> >> > >>    critical infrastructure ?  like the web site  & events.
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm afraid I can't help out with infrastructure... but as I said,
> >> I'd
> >> > > be *really* happy to contribute reports and updates from London...
> >> > >
> >> > > I'd like to remind you all about the wsfii irc channel which has
> >> been
> >> > > dead for a while - but could help if people are feeling isolated
> >> in the
> >> > > way they're working ;)
> >> > >
> >> > > irc://irc.oftc.net#wsfii
> >> > >
> >> > > See you there maybe?
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll be idling there this morning, but I read scrollback :)
> >> > >
> >> > > X
> >> > >
> >> > > Saul.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
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