[wsfii-discuss] WSFII.org website in pity full state!

Wed Jun 13 20:30:26 UTC 2007

Cheers Gerard!
Totally agree with you, and yes I will also take a beer ...
maybe self-reflection and communication is all that is needed in our
open-source way of working and if that can get some more speed by an
enlightened lead taking person.. hmm
Greets Fred

On 6/13/07, Gerard Mourits <gerard at mourits.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:44:54 -0400, "Ian Howard"
> <ihoward at netdotworking.com> said:
> > All,
> >
> > Not to be a thorn, but I would encourage us not to lose site of the
> > original ideals of WSFII, that is an open, collaborative and
> > self-organizing endeavour, modelled around open source. In that light, I
> > would suggest that we not appoint someone to be in charge, but that we
> > encourage some individuals to focus their contributions on particular
> > aspects of this effort. If anything we should certainly focus on making
> > sure that we really encourage some local on the ground people to do
> > participate more. Leaders in open source pull things together and
> > encourage participation of others.
> >
> Nice words but are they really of this world?
> I think Fred meant by his 'putting in charge' that if work is to be done
> somebody has to take the lead.
> If nobody takes the lead and there is nobody 'in charge' then where are
> we going to.
> This don't mean that we need a kind of Hitler to marched in front of the
> troops.
> We would certainly let this happen at all. Bu we need en lighted people
> that shows us the road ahead.
> 'Self-organizing endeavour' come out of books and with books we describe
> thing that passed.
>
> > So, to answer Tomas' questions:
> >
> > So who take the lead?  No one, this is a self-organizing effort
> And out of this self-organizing effort comes what ? a leader?
>
> > When do we organize?  again, self-organize
> And what happens if we got two self-organizing mechanisms?
>
> > When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and plan?  there
> > should be an effort to encourage contributions and a wide call for input
> > and distributed decision making.
> At first we need a direction: where are we going ?
>
> >
> > Anyone who knows me will know that this self-organizing arrangement is
> > not one that came naturally for this ex-soldier, though, I believe in
> > open source and I believe that if we buy-in to the process of
> > self-organization and that we work to optimize collaboration that this
> > will be something fruitful. Not only will we pull off a meeting, but we
> > will pull off another self-organizing event.
> The problem is with self-organizing communities that there has to be
> someone to point out to this direction (and take the lead).
> It is not "if this" or "if that". It is "and this" "and that" and work
> together on multiple levels.
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/714
>
>
> >
> > Cheers!
> Cheers to you! I'll now take a beer.
>
> Gerard
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > Fred Pook wrote:
> > > Hiya,
> > > I am happy this thread is picking up and we are chatting..
> > > IMHO I would put Ashish in charge of this effort of making the WSFII
> > > online presence a solid one.
> > > Please reply if there are objections to this
> > >
> > > Thanks Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/5/07, Thomas Maketa <tmaketa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> So who take the lead ?
> > >> When do we organize?
> > >> When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and plan?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 6/5/07, Rob Dyke < rob at comwifinet.com> wrote:
> > >> > Ashish, All,
> > >> >
> > >> > Here is my offer of contributing time and effort for the critical
> > >> > infrastructure side of things. I've much kit and much caboodle, *some*
> > >> > time... All donated towards WSFII.
> > >> >
> > >> > Looks like there are a couple of things immediately arising from this
> > >> > thread....
> > >> > * Web presence overhaul - tool and template
> > >> > * Import of OKFN hosted info
> > >> > * Support for translations
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm lurking with Saul in IRC.... let's continue this thread and
> > >> chatter
> > >> >
> > >> > Rob
> > >> >
> > >> > Saul Albert wrote:
> > >> > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:39:15AM +0530, Assoc of Public ICT Tools
> > >> Access Prov wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>    Henceforth can we think of building a team of say 3 people
> > >> for the
> > >> > >>    critical infrastructure ?  like the web site  & events.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm afraid I can't help out with infrastructure... but as I said,
> > >> I'd
> > >> > > be *really* happy to contribute reports and updates from London...
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'd like to remind you all about the wsfii irc channel which has
> > >> been
> > >> > > dead for a while - but could help if people are feeling isolated
> > >> in the
> > >> > > way they're working ;)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > irc://irc.oftc.net#wsfii
> > >> > >
> > >> > > See you there maybe?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'll be idling there this morning, but I read scrollback :)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > X
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Saul.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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