[MyData & Open Data] Issues to be addressed at workshop

Tue Apr 8 14:50:50 UTC 2014

My completely personal opinion — while I appreciate the desire to have *completely* open tools in every part of our workflow, I personally believe some battles are not worth fighting. I am happy to use Google, Skype, etc. because they allow me to focus on bigger tasks. I realize this opinion is not shared by everyone, and I respect that. I don’t need any counter-arguments. I just want the best tools to achieve my bigger goals.

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Puneet Kishor

On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Sally Deffor <sally.deffor at okfn.org> wrote:

> At the back of Javier's comments, I need to add that indeed quite a few people find these alternative tools a bit more difficult to use. It would be great if we could have recommendations on how to manage these challenges when using them, as well as a list of any other such out there that I might not know about. I could include a post on the webpage pointing to these tools. So looking forward to receiving them.
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> Sally
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> On 8 April 2014 15:07, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org> wrote:
> I am happy to use Etherpads for WG documents. The only issue is that it’s quite hard to keep track of them. It was a big step backwards when the developers removed the tools to manage groups of pads. It would be great if we could find a solution.
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> The online version of Jitsi video conference looks great, at least with one user. The Etherpad integration didn’t work for me though.
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> Javier Ruiz
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> On Tuesday, 8 April 2014 at 14:56, Sally Deffor wrote:
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>> Thanks for the suggestion Mattias. We recognize that Mydata WG  is comprised of individuals, some who may ascribe to different views on using these tools (Google, Skype). I will therefore leave it open for now, but this is worth considering for the future, and my colleagues could advice.
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>> On 8 April 2014 14:01, Mattias <mattias at okfn.se> wrote:
>>> Dear Sally,
>>> 
>>> Great!
>>> However: Can you set up some sort of privacy-respecting workflow guidelines within the MyData workgroup to avoid these kinds of contra-selective solutions in the future on this list? You are of     course welcome to inquire for advice regarding this. OKFN Pad before Google Documents and meet.jit.si before Skype is already provided.
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>>> Would be great if you could add info about it here: http://personal-data.okfn.org/ and we can hope that it can become the normative way of working for the organisation if we wish to respect privacy & personal data.
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>>> Best,
>>> Mattias
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>>> On 08/04/14 14:01, Sally Deffor wrote:
>>>> Hi Stef, Mattias
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>>>> I am happy for us to use the okfn pad, and have migrated the document here.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
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>>>> On 8 April 2014 12:50, Mattias <mattias at okfn.se> wrote:
>>>>> On 08/04/14 11:12, stef wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 09:28:02AM +0100, Sally Deffor wrote:
>>>>> >> (here<https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/document/d/1FEyaxkQs6OX-8J1orZDV6QeGaIbbPbO32EPbJx71zuk/edit>).
>>>>> > let me repeatedly point out, that using google in this context is
>>>>> > contra-selective.
>>>>> I so much agree with stef on this. There are so many paradoxes in what
>>>>> this engagement is about and how the work is carried out. I feel this is
>>>>> very demotivating for my engagement in this project. If we are to use a
>>>>> collaborative document why not use (which OKFN is already providing with
>>>>> the) http://pad.okfn.org?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And for *security- & privacy-respecting* Skype calls please use
>>>>> https://meet.jit.si +/nameofsession e.g. https://meet.jit.si/okfnmydata
>>>>> (it is going to be used during OKFN nordic cross-country video conferences)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mattias
>>>>> OKFN Sweden
>>>>> ..