[MyData & Open Data] [OKFN-FR] Le rapport d'activités 2013 de la CNIL est en ligne

[Javier Ruiz]

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> i.e how you regulate moral rights on personal data? how do you define
what is the scope of your personal data/rights? how do you value moral
rights on personal data against other rights such as public interest,
freedom of speech? who would be the controller in charge?

Just to clarify. A lot of this stuff is what data protection is all about,
including the balancing.

The question is how to do it with datasets that don't fall within data
protection because they have been anonymised.

Maybe there could be a specific right to object to anonymisation. But this
would not help with objecting to further uses.

In any case changing this right now is like turning a supertanker. Policy
fiction genre.

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> Also moral rights in France is supposed to be perpetual, inalienable, and
imprescriptible ...
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> There is also the question with children's personal data?
> How do they claim for their rights.

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> Looking forward to Minister's proposal details and inputs from others on
this.
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> Best
> Pierre
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> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org>
wrote:
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>> Some types of database and context have some moral rights but I am sure
this is not what the minister has in mind.
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>> Databases in Europe have several layers of intellectual property. The
structure and compilation of the database can be protected by database
right, protecting the investment not the originality, even if the contents
themselves cannot be copyrighted (say because they are simple facts).
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>> You could also have copyright in the database as creative work. The
typical example is a compilation of literary works requiring some form of
judgement and skill, as opposed to some objective criteria like
alphabetical order. This is difficult to prove but possible.
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>> And you could also have a database where the contents themselves were
copyrighted as a creative work (the literary works in the compilation above
would have their own copyright)
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>> The moral rights of the author should apply wherever there is copyright.
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>> A moral right of sorts for data has been discussed in certain privacy
circles as a theoretical possibility, but I cannot see how it could be
implemented.
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>> It makes sense that people should be able to object to certain uses of
their data. For example, I may want to donate my DNA for research but not
for developing biological weapons. I can do this to a point with data
protection, but once my data is “anonymised" I lose all control as it
ceases to be “personal”.
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>> The head from CNIL makes a very interesting point in the article below
on the monetisation of data: voluntary disclosure would remove data
protection rights.
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>> Si on permet aux gens de vendre leurs données, alors ils perdront leurs
droits dessus.
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>> But to use copyright to do protect moral rights on data is very
problematic. I cannot copyright my DNA or my location trace, so you would
need to create some completely new moral right disconnected from
Intellectual Property.
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>> Maybe someone else has a clearer idea of how this could work.
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>> --
>> Javier Ruiz
>> javier at openrightsgroup.org
>> +44(0)7877 911 412
>> @javierruiz
>> www.OpenRightsGroup.org
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>> On Monday, 19 May 2014 at 15:15, Pierre Chrzanowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All, I just learned on the french okfn mailing list, that he
Minister in charge of digital economy proposed to create a moral right on
personal data, rather than the commercial author right some have proposed
here in the country.
>>>
>>> Any other example, study where such a proposition has been made ?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-05-19 15:44 GMT+02:00 Samuel Le Goff <samuel.legoff at yahoo.fr>:
>>>>
>>>> sur les données personnelles, la piste la plus probable est
l'instauration d'un droit moral, calqué sur ce qui existe en droit d'auteur.
>>>> Chacun pourra ainsi avoir une prise sur l'usage qui est fait de ses
données, sans pouvoir les vendre (le droit moral est lié à la personne et
incessible).
>>>>
>>>> Montebourg en parlé la semaine dernière, lors d'un colloque.
>>>>
>>>> Samuel LG
>>>>
>>>> Le Lundi 19 mai 2014 15h16, Pierre Chrzanowski <
pierre.chrzanowski at okfn.fr> a écrit :
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http://www.cnil.fr/linstitution/actualite/article/article/bilan-2013-la-protection-des-donnees-une-preoccupation-croissante-des-particuliers/
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>>>> à lire également l'interview de sa Directrice dans le monde
>>>>
http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2014/05/19/isabelle-falque-pierrotin-je-ne-crois-pas-du-tout-a-la-fin-de-la-vie-privee_4420923_651865.html
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>>>> On y apprends notamment que la CNIL s'opposera à l'instauration d'un
droit d'auteur sur les données personnelles.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Pierre Chrzanowski
>>>> Open Knowledge Foundation France
>>>>
>>>> Mail : pierre.chrzanowski at okfn.fr
>>>> Skype : pierre.chrzanowski | Twitter : @pzwsk
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> Expert Open Data
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