[Okfn-pk] Suggestions by Mr. Mohsin

Thu Mar 12 06:57:02 UTC 2015

Sure, fell free to ask my any or all the questions which came in your mind
from time to time.

Looking forward to your input on the spreadsheet.

*Nouman Nazim*

Ambassador / Group Lead
Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:32 AM, mohsin khawaja <email at mohsinkhawaja.me>
wrote:

> Thanks - count me in - as the work progresses, i will discuss various
> concerns with you.
>
> ===
> Mohsin Khawaja
> +92-3223225433
> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mohsin,
>>
>> I hope you have seen the spreadsheet. I am going to assign you the task.
>> I will take care of following data columns: Name of Public Body, Type of
>> Organization, Controlling Body, and Website. Whereas, you will have to add
>> Address, Contact Nos. (max. 2), Fax Nos. (max. 2), Email Address(es) (max.
>> 2), Keys and their corresponding Value. As regard Keys and Values, they
>> will contain information relevant to the organization e.g. Key: Telephone
>> List, Value: URL of the telephone list available on the official website of
>> the body.
>>
>> We can also add a link to the wikipedia page about the organization in
>> the key value pair.
>>
>> Some organizations don't have a public website therefore I have added a
>> brief about them from the website of their Controlling Body in the Key
>> Value Pair.
>>
>> You will be able to find the information on which you are going to work
>> at the official website of public bodies. You are required to provide max.
>> 2 contact nos. and 2 fax nos. Kindly add city code with the numbers and
>> also take of formatting (First word capital, proper use of commas and
>> spaces etc). While copying and pasting data to spreadsheet, right click on
>> the cell and choose Paste Special then Paste Value only.
>>
>> In case of any confusion feel free to ask me.
>>
>> With Regards,
>>
>>
>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>
>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure. I have created an Online Spreadsheet on Google Drive to collect
>>> and record details about Public Bodies in Pakistan. I have added you as an
>>> editor so that you can add, edit or delete data. I hope you have received
>>> email with the requisite link. Others can view the data at the following
>>> link:-
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NM9Ffc3_3kDYLZw2MnmgrAZ1WNePkw0pzzXnsPv36pM/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I will get back to you in the evening and will let you know about
>>> further details. We will then start working on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>
>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM, mohsin khawaja <email at mohsinkhawaja.me
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds Great, let's get started.
>>>> But.. Where do we begin and What I can do/Contribute ?
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>>> +92-3223225433
>>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the prompt reply. Well, one important aspect of Open Data
>>>>> is that it should be machine readable so that developers / coders can
>>>>> access it programmatically and build useful apps upon it. Machine readable
>>>>> data formats include XML, JSON, CSV whereas closed file formats include
>>>>> .PDF, .DOC etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should start gathering data about Public Bodies in Pakistan by
>>>>> creating an online Excel Spreadsheet on Google Docs. We can convert Excel
>>>>> Spreadsheet into CSV, JSON or XML to make it machine readable. We will
>>>>> upload same data on a local (our own) instance of CKAN. CKAN comes with an
>>>>> API and it will allow civic coders to access that that from our portal and
>>>>> develop web / mobile app upon it. You can access or share that data on wiki
>>>>> or any portal you want as the data will be in open format and free to share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to hear from you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>
>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> it can be an excellent idea/project.
>>>>>> I checked the data at publicbodies.org/ - for UK, US and EU - it is
>>>>>> very incomplete.
>>>>>> Just names of the bodies and websites. Addresses and many other
>>>>>> attributes are missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyways we can start for PK. And I think a Wiki style is much better
>>>>>> than previously discussed options - because in this way - the updation of
>>>>>> data is possible in a much better way. I had created a wiki for a project
>>>>>> http://certificationsdirectory.com/ and no matter how limited the
>>>>>> scope is - it is much convenient to keep it updated and collaborate with a
>>>>>> team. But still it is a suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>>>>> +92-3223225433
>>>>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Nouman Nazim <
>>>>>> nouman.nazim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, it is indeed a good project to start but as per my personal
>>>>>>> opinion we first need to gather and list all the Public Bodies in
>>>>>>> Pakistan —that is government-run or -controlled organizations. Examples
>>>>>>> include federal as well as provincial ministries or departments, and
>>>>>>> state-run organizations. At present there is no such database containing
>>>>>>> Name, Address, and Contact No. of Public Bodies in Pakistan. One such
>>>>>>> project of Open Knowledge (Intl.) is running at the following link:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://publicbodies.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your suggestions in this regard will be highly appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:51 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then do you think it is a good project to start with for OKFN-PK or
>>>>>>>> not ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Nouman Nazim <
>>>>>>>> nouman.nazim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Mohsin, Yes I have worked as NGOs Monitoring Officer in
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan under Ministry of Interior but before coming to the point I would
>>>>>>>>> like to clear 2-3 things which will help you in achieving the planned
>>>>>>>>> tasks. There is no single body of law that governs NGOs in
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan. There are between 10 to 18 different laws in Pakistan
>>>>>>>>> that may govern an NGO. First of all SECP register nationwide
>>>>>>>>> Non-Profit Companies under Section 42 of the Companies Ordinance, 1984.
>>>>>>>>> There are three other major laws dealing with registration of NGOs /
>>>>>>>>> Non-profit organizations in Pakistan which are as under:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i) Voluntary Social Welfare Agencies, 1961
>>>>>>>>> ii) Societies Registration Act, 1860
>>>>>>>>> iii) Trust Act, 1882
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Registration cases falling under the laws mentioned at serial no.
>>>>>>>>> (i) and (ii) are undertaken by the Registrar of NGOs appointed in each
>>>>>>>>> District of Pakistan. Whereas, registration cases under Trust Act (sr. no.
>>>>>>>>> iii) are managed by Tehsildar Office located in all the Districts of
>>>>>>>>> Pakistan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As regard International NGOs interested in working under Pakistan,
>>>>>>>>> they are required to obtain approval from the Establishment Division as
>>>>>>>>> well as thorough clearance from National Security Agencies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keeping in view the fact that there are multiple authorities
>>>>>>>>> dealing with registration of NGOs / Non-Profit Organizations in Pakistan at
>>>>>>>>> National as well as District level, there is no single database containing
>>>>>>>>> record / registration details of all those NGOs. Many private organizations
>>>>>>>>> tried to collect the record about NGOs registered / working in different
>>>>>>>>> cities / villages of Pakistan which can be found online at following links:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ngos.org.pk/
>>>>>>>>> http://www.unesco.org.pk/documents/Directory%20of%20NGOs.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ngoworldpk.com/ngo-introduction/download-full-ngo-directory-(pakistan)/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/thecivilsocietyforumofpakistan/Pakistan-nonprofits-directory
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Above mentioned links does not provide the complete list of all
>>>>>>>>> the NGOs registered / working in Pakistan. Total number of NGOs registered
>>>>>>>>> in Islamabad only are more than 3000 (list can be produced). An estimated
>>>>>>>>> number of NGOs registered / working in whole Pakistan is 30,000+ and at
>>>>>>>>> present there is no single database available with any Government Agency
>>>>>>>>> which contains all those NGOs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>>>>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:00 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>>>>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AoA,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I noticed that you worked as "NGOs Monitoring Officer" - a while
>>>>>>>>>> back i was looking for a complete list of NGOs in Pakistan - but couldn't
>>>>>>>>>> find it. Can you help me get this dataset ? i will try to share and promote
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>>>>>>>>> +92-3223225433
>>>>>>>>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Nouman Nazim <
>>>>>>>>>> nouman.nazim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Mohsin,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First of all welcome to this discussion list. I am reproducing
>>>>>>>>>>> your suggestions, from my personal email, here:-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i) Ask corporations, specially dealing with food and health
>>>>>>>>>>> care products, to open their manufacturing & raw material policies [data]
>>>>>>>>>>> so that consumers can make rational choices rather than emotional following
>>>>>>>>>>> of brands under the influence of advertisement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ii) An online platform / forum / wiki to raise public awareness
>>>>>>>>>>> about how Government works in Pakistan and provide answers
>>>>>>>>>>> to frequently asked questions about Government functions / services.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All the current members of Open Knowledge Pakistan (OKP)
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion list are requested to provide their views / opinions on the
>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions of Mr. Mohsin and how Open Knowledge Pakistan can undertake
>>>>>>>>>>> such initiatives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My opinions in this regard are as under:-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i) We can establish Open Product Data Working Group under the
>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella of OKP to campaign for Open Product Data in Pakistan by contacting
>>>>>>>>>>> and writing to leading local products manufacturers and request them to
>>>>>>>>>>> Open their products data. There is the working group titled:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Open Product Data" working under Open Knowledge (Intl.) to build a public
>>>>>>>>>>> database of product data. Here are the links of their websites:-
>>>>>>>>>>> http://product.okfn.org and http://product-open-data.com. After
>>>>>>>>>>> obtaining data from local products manufactures we can add that to Global
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Product Data database besides establishing our own local portal which
>>>>>>>>>>> will allow users to easily access data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ii) As regard public awareness on how Government Work, we can
>>>>>>>>>>> launch an online portal like following:-
>>>>>>>>>>> http://answers.oaklandnet.com/ to answer questions about
>>>>>>>>>>> different functions / services provided by the Government of Pakistan. The
>>>>>>>>>>> aforementioned website is using open source platform titled Honolulu
>>>>>>>>>>> Answers <http://www.codeforamerica.org/apps/honolulu-answers/> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Sheba Najmi, Founder, Code for Pakistan
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://codeforpakistan.org> played a vital role in developing
>>>>>>>>>>> this platform. We can deploy Honolulu Answers
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.codeforamerica.org/apps/honolulu-answers/> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan and request Ms. Sheba Najmi for her suggestions / guidance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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