[Okfn-pk] Suggestions by Mr. Mohsin

Thu Mar 12 05:32:46 UTC 2015

Thanks - count me in - as the work progresses, i will discuss various
concerns with you.

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Mohsin Khawaja
+92-3223225433
http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Mohsin,
>
> I hope you have seen the spreadsheet. I am going to assign you the task. I
> will take care of following data columns: Name of Public Body, Type of
> Organization, Controlling Body, and Website. Whereas, you will have to add
> Address, Contact Nos. (max. 2), Fax Nos. (max. 2), Email Address(es) (max.
> 2), Keys and their corresponding Value. As regard Keys and Values, they
> will contain information relevant to the organization e.g. Key: Telephone
> List, Value: URL of the telephone list available on the official website of
> the body.
>
> We can also add a link to the wikipedia page about the organization in the
> key value pair.
>
> Some organizations don't have a public website therefore I have added a
> brief about them from the website of their Controlling Body in the Key
> Value Pair.
>
> You will be able to find the information on which you are going to work at
> the official website of public bodies. You are required to provide max. 2
> contact nos. and 2 fax nos. Kindly add city code with the numbers and also
> take of formatting (First word capital, proper use of commas and spaces
> etc). While copying and pasting data to spreadsheet, right click on the
> cell and choose Paste Special then Paste Value only.
>
> In case of any confusion feel free to ask me.
>
> With Regards,
>
>
> *Nouman Nazim*
>
> Ambassador / Group Lead
> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
> M: +92 336 5101166
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> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sure. I have created an Online Spreadsheet on Google Drive to collect and
>> record details about Public Bodies in Pakistan. I have added you as an
>> editor so that you can add, edit or delete data. I hope you have received
>> email with the requisite link. Others can view the data at the following
>> link:-
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NM9Ffc3_3kDYLZw2MnmgrAZ1WNePkw0pzzXnsPv36pM/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I will get back to you in the evening and will let you know about further
>> details. We will then start working on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>
>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM, mohsin khawaja <email at mohsinkhawaja.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds Great, let's get started.
>>> But.. Where do we begin and What I can do/Contribute ?
>>>
>>> ===
>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>> +92-3223225433
>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the prompt reply. Well, one important aspect of Open Data is
>>>> that it should be machine readable so that developers / coders can access
>>>> it programmatically and build useful apps upon it. Machine readable data
>>>> formats include XML, JSON, CSV whereas closed file formats include .PDF,
>>>> .DOC etc.
>>>>
>>>> We should start gathering data about Public Bodies in Pakistan by
>>>> creating an online Excel Spreadsheet on Google Docs. We can convert Excel
>>>> Spreadsheet into CSV, JSON or XML to make it machine readable. We will
>>>> upload same data on a local (our own) instance of CKAN. CKAN comes with an
>>>> API and it will allow civic coders to access that that from our portal and
>>>> develop web / mobile app upon it. You can access or share that data on wiki
>>>> or any portal you want as the data will be in open format and free to share.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to hear from you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>
>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> it can be an excellent idea/project.
>>>>> I checked the data at publicbodies.org/ - for UK, US and EU - it is
>>>>> very incomplete.
>>>>> Just names of the bodies and websites. Addresses and many other
>>>>> attributes are missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways we can start for PK. And I think a Wiki style is much better
>>>>> than previously discussed options - because in this way - the updation of
>>>>> data is possible in a much better way. I had created a wiki for a project
>>>>> http://certificationsdirectory.com/ and no matter how limited the
>>>>> scope is - it is much convenient to keep it updated and collaborate with a
>>>>> team. But still it is a suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>>>> +92-3223225433
>>>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it is indeed a good project to start but as per my personal
>>>>>> opinion we first need to gather and list all the Public Bodies in
>>>>>> Pakistan —that is government-run or -controlled organizations. Examples
>>>>>> include federal as well as provincial ministries or departments, and
>>>>>> state-run organizations. At present there is no such database containing
>>>>>> Name, Address, and Contact No. of Public Bodies in Pakistan. One such
>>>>>> project of Open Knowledge (Intl.) is running at the following link:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://publicbodies.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your suggestions in this regard will be highly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:51 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then do you think it is a good project to start with for OKFN-PK or
>>>>>>> not ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Nouman Nazim <
>>>>>>> nouman.nazim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Mohsin, Yes I have worked as NGOs Monitoring Officer in
>>>>>>>> Pakistan under Ministry of Interior but before coming to the point I would
>>>>>>>> like to clear 2-3 things which will help you in achieving the planned
>>>>>>>> tasks. There is no single body of law that governs NGOs in
>>>>>>>> Pakistan. There are between 10 to 18 different laws in Pakistan
>>>>>>>> that may govern an NGO. First of all SECP register nationwide
>>>>>>>> Non-Profit Companies under Section 42 of the Companies Ordinance, 1984.
>>>>>>>> There are three other major laws dealing with registration of NGOs /
>>>>>>>> Non-profit organizations in Pakistan which are as under:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i) Voluntary Social Welfare Agencies, 1961
>>>>>>>> ii) Societies Registration Act, 1860
>>>>>>>> iii) Trust Act, 1882
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Registration cases falling under the laws mentioned at serial no.
>>>>>>>> (i) and (ii) are undertaken by the Registrar of NGOs appointed in each
>>>>>>>> District of Pakistan. Whereas, registration cases under Trust Act (sr. no.
>>>>>>>> iii) are managed by Tehsildar Office located in all the Districts of
>>>>>>>> Pakistan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As regard International NGOs interested in working under Pakistan,
>>>>>>>> they are required to obtain approval from the Establishment Division as
>>>>>>>> well as thorough clearance from National Security Agencies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keeping in view the fact that there are multiple authorities
>>>>>>>> dealing with registration of NGOs / Non-Profit Organizations in Pakistan at
>>>>>>>> National as well as District level, there is no single database containing
>>>>>>>> record / registration details of all those NGOs. Many private organizations
>>>>>>>> tried to collect the record about NGOs registered / working in different
>>>>>>>> cities / villages of Pakistan which can be found online at following links:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ngos.org.pk/
>>>>>>>> http://www.unesco.org.pk/documents/Directory%20of%20NGOs.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ngoworldpk.com/ngo-introduction/download-full-ngo-directory-(pakistan)/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/thecivilsocietyforumofpakistan/Pakistan-nonprofits-directory
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Above mentioned links does not provide the complete list of all the
>>>>>>>> NGOs registered / working in Pakistan. Total number of NGOs registered in
>>>>>>>> Islamabad only are more than 3000 (list can be produced). An estimated
>>>>>>>> number of NGOs registered / working in whole Pakistan is 30,000+ and at
>>>>>>>> present there is no single database available with any Government Agency
>>>>>>>> which contains all those NGOs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>>>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:00 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>>>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AoA,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I noticed that you worked as "NGOs Monitoring Officer" - a while
>>>>>>>>> back i was looking for a complete list of NGOs in Pakistan - but couldn't
>>>>>>>>> find it. Can you help me get this dataset ? i will try to share and promote
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>>>>>>>> +92-3223225433
>>>>>>>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Nouman Nazim <
>>>>>>>>> nouman.nazim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Mohsin,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First of all welcome to this discussion list. I am reproducing
>>>>>>>>>> your suggestions, from my personal email, here:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i) Ask corporations, specially dealing with food and health care
>>>>>>>>>> products, to open their manufacturing & raw material policies [data] so
>>>>>>>>>> that consumers can make rational choices rather than emotional following of
>>>>>>>>>> brands under the influence of advertisement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ii) An online platform / forum / wiki to raise public awareness
>>>>>>>>>> about how Government works in Pakistan and provide answers
>>>>>>>>>> to frequently asked questions about Government functions / services.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the current members of Open Knowledge Pakistan (OKP)
>>>>>>>>>> discussion list are requested to provide their views / opinions on the
>>>>>>>>>> suggestions of Mr. Mohsin and how Open Knowledge Pakistan can undertake
>>>>>>>>>> such initiatives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My opinions in this regard are as under:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i) We can establish Open Product Data Working Group under the
>>>>>>>>>> umbrella of OKP to campaign for Open Product Data in Pakistan by contacting
>>>>>>>>>> and writing to leading local products manufacturers and request them to
>>>>>>>>>> Open their products data. There is the working group titled:
>>>>>>>>>> "Open Product Data" working under Open Knowledge (Intl.) to build a public
>>>>>>>>>> database of product data. Here are the links of their websites:-
>>>>>>>>>> http://product.okfn.org and http://product-open-data.com. After
>>>>>>>>>> obtaining data from local products manufactures we can add that to Global
>>>>>>>>>> Open Product Data database besides establishing our own local portal which
>>>>>>>>>> will allow users to easily access data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ii) As regard public awareness on how Government Work, we can
>>>>>>>>>> launch an online portal like following:-
>>>>>>>>>> http://answers.oaklandnet.com/ to answer questions about
>>>>>>>>>> different functions / services provided by the Government of Pakistan. The
>>>>>>>>>> aforementioned website is using open source platform titled Honolulu
>>>>>>>>>> Answers <http://www.codeforamerica.org/apps/honolulu-answers/> and
>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Sheba Najmi, Founder, Code for Pakistan
>>>>>>>>>> <http://codeforpakistan.org> played a vital role in developing
>>>>>>>>>> this platform. We can deploy Honolulu Answers
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.codeforamerica.org/apps/honolulu-answers/> in
>>>>>>>>>> Pakistan and request Ms. Sheba Najmi for her suggestions / guidance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
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