[open-science] [Open-access] CC-BY

Tue Sep 3 17:50:35 UTC 2013

I have had in-depth discussions with both Heather Morrison and Rosie
Redfield. I think they misinterpret what CC-BY allows and what CC-NC
prevents. In science, at least, we have used CC-BY for 10 years with no
problems. The only real effect , in science, for CC-NC - is that it allows
the publisher (not the author) to make additional money from reselling
rights to the article. Thus a CC-NC for an Elsevier article does not forbid
commercial re-use- it simply means that re-users have to pay Elsevier an
additional and lucrative tax. CC-NC in science is about ibcreasing
publisher income, not about restricting re-use.

In A+H the current ethos is that authors sell their books.  CC-NC may have
a bearing on this, though it will depend on the exact details of copyright
and the publisher. In general CC-NC controls who can make money.

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Klaus Graf <klausgraf at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I cannot see the NSA context of CC-BY, sorry.
>
> There was no copyright in the middle ages and a lot of fruitful
> plagiarism. May I remember to my thoughts at
>
> http://jlsc-pub.org/jlsc/vol1/iss1/5/
>
> CC-BY-ND blocks translations and other derivative works.
>
> CC-BY-NC blocks scholarly use in commercial context e.g. use in the most
> (commercial) e-journals.
>
> Klaus Graf
>
>
> 2013/9/3 Heather Morrison <Heather.Morrison at uottawa.ca>
>
>> This argument appears to reflect a position of technological determinism
>> which I reject - the idea that we are helpless to do anything but adapt to
>> advancing technology. The key problem with this argument is that it is we
>> humans that create the technology, and we have the ability to shape it.
>>
>> Another example of this kind of argument that people are thankfully
>> beginning to question, is the idea that now that we have the internet it is
>> ridiculous to think that there is any notion of privacy and the
>> accompanying idea that society both can and does accept this.
>>
>> Snowden's revelations of NSA surveillance are such a good illustration of
>> the dangers of this loss of privacy that people are beginning to take
>> notice and say that yes, we do want privacy in the online environment.
>> Humans are not helpless with respect to this technology; we created it, and
>> we can shape it future.
>>
>> This perspective is essential to the work of advocates for open access,
>> open science, a free and open internet. We work for this (I think) because
>> we perceive this as a desirable potential of the internet, and we do not
>> believe that this potential will be achieved by sitting back and watching
>> the technology unfold, but rather because we think action is both necessary
>> and desirable.
>>
>> If you're interested in the social shaping of technology, you might want
>> to read some of Andrew Feenberg, e.g. Questioning Technology or
>> Transforming Technology.
>>
>> ~ my two bits ~ thoughts?
>>
>> Heather Morrison
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2013-09-03, at 10:48 AM, Luke Winslow wrote:
>>
>> > This kind of thing has been happening for a while. It is a natural
>> consequence of open licenses. Wikipedia has been re-packaged and sold many
>> times. While I can't find an example, popular open source software has
>> fallen prey from time to time, being repackaged and sold to uninformed
>> consumers who don't realize there are cost-free versions available.
>> >
>> > I would argue this new world requires more of the consumer. Be savvy.
>> Do a little google research. There's no going back to simpler times, the
>> complexity is here to stay.
>> >
>> > -Luke
>> >
>> > On 2013-09-03 9:08 AM, Klaus Graf wrote:
>> >> http://blogs.ubc.ca/chendricks/2013/08/31/troubling-open-access-cc-by/
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Klaus Graf
>> >>
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