[open-science] [Open-access] CC-BY

Tue Sep 3 20:41:52 UTC 2013

Hi,

An interesting opposite point of view can be found here:
Free Knowledge based on Creative Commons Licenses. Consequences, risks and
side-effects of the license module 'non-commercial use only – NC'
http://www.vlaamse-erfgoedbibliotheek.be/en/node/2725

Best

Ignasi

2013/9/3 Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>

>  I have had in-depth discussions with both Heather Morrison and Rosie
> Redfield. I think they misinterpret what CC-BY allows and what CC-NC
> prevents. In science, at least, we have used CC-BY for 10 years with no
> problems. The only real effect , in science, for CC-NC - is that it allows
> the publisher (not the author) to make additional money from reselling
> rights to the article. Thus a CC-NC for an Elsevier article does not forbid
> commercial re-use- it simply means that re-users have to pay Elsevier an
> additional and lucrative tax. CC-NC in science is about ibcreasing
> publisher income, not about restricting re-use.
>
>  In A+H the current ethos is that authors sell their books.  CC-NC may
> have a bearing on this, though it will depend on the exact details of
> copyright and the publisher. In general CC-NC controls who can make money.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Klaus Graf <klausgraf at googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>>   I cannot see the NSA context of CC-BY, sorry.
>>
>>  There was no copyright in the middle ages and a lot of fruitful
>> plagiarism. May I remember to my thoughts at
>>
>> http://jlsc-pub.org/jlsc/vol1/iss1/5/
>>
>>  CC-BY-ND blocks translations and other derivative works.
>>
>>  CC-BY-NC blocks scholarly use in commercial context e.g. use in the most
>> (commercial) e-journals.
>>
>>  Klaus Graf
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/3 Heather Morrison <Heather.Morrison at uottawa.ca>
>>
>>> This argument appears to reflect a position of technological determinism
>>> which I reject - the idea that we are helpless to do anything but adapt to
>>> advancing technology. The key problem with this argument is that it is we
>>> humans that create the technology, and we have the ability to shape it.
>>>
>>> Another example of this kind of argument that people are thankfully
>>> beginning to question, is the idea that now that we have the internet it is
>>> ridiculous to think that there is any notion of privacy and the
>>> accompanying idea that society both can and does accept this.
>>>
>>> Snowden's revelations of NSA surveillance are such a good illustration
>>> of the dangers of this loss of privacy that people are beginning to take
>>> notice and say that yes, we do want privacy in the online environment.
>>> Humans are not helpless with respect to this technology; we created it, and
>>> we can shape it future.
>>>
>>> This perspective is essential to the work of advocates for open access,
>>> open science, a free and open internet. We work for this (I think) because
>>> we perceive this as a desirable potential of the internet, and we do not
>>> believe that this potential will be achieved by sitting back and watching
>>> the technology unfold, but rather because we think action is both necessary
>>> and desirable.
>>>
>>> If you're interested in the social shaping of technology, you might want
>>> to read some of Andrew Feenberg, e.g. Questioning Technology or
>>> Transforming Technology.
>>>
>>> ~ my two bits ~ thoughts?
>>>
>>> Heather Morrison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-09-03, at 10:48 AM, Luke Winslow wrote:
>>>
>>> > This kind of thing has been happening for a while. It is a natural
>>> consequence of open licenses. Wikipedia has been re-packaged and sold many
>>> times. While I can't find an example, popular open source software has
>>> fallen prey from time to time, being repackaged and sold to uninformed
>>> consumers who don't realize there are cost-free versions available.
>>> >
>>> > I would argue this new world requires more of the consumer. Be savvy.
>>> Do a little google research. There's no going back to simpler times, the
>>> complexity is here to stay.
>>> >
>>> > -Luke
>>> >
>>> > On 2013-09-03 9:08 AM, Klaus Graf wrote:
>>> >>
>>> http://blogs.ubc.ca/chendricks/2013/08/31/troubling-open-access-cc-by/
>>> >>
>>> >> Thoughts?
>>> >>
>>> >> Klaus Graf
>>> >>
>>> >>
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