[Okfn-pk] Suggestions by Mr. Mohsin

Wed Mar 11 09:34:06 UTC 2015

Sure. I have created an Online Spreadsheet on Google Drive to collect and
record details about Public Bodies in Pakistan. I have added you as an
editor so that you can add, edit or delete data. I hope you have received
email with the requisite link. Others can view the data at the following
link:-

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NM9Ffc3_3kDYLZw2MnmgrAZ1WNePkw0pzzXnsPv36pM/edit?usp=sharing

I will get back to you in the evening and will let you know about further
details. We will then start working on it.

*Nouman Nazim*

Ambassador / Group Lead
Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM, mohsin khawaja <email at mohsinkhawaja.me>
wrote:

> Sounds Great, let's get started.
> But.. Where do we begin and What I can do/Contribute ?
>
> ===
> Mohsin Khawaja
> +92-3223225433
> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the prompt reply. Well, one important aspect of Open Data is
>> that it should be machine readable so that developers / coders can access
>> it programmatically and build useful apps upon it. Machine readable data
>> formats include XML, JSON, CSV whereas closed file formats include .PDF,
>> .DOC etc.
>>
>> We should start gathering data about Public Bodies in Pakistan by
>> creating an online Excel Spreadsheet on Google Docs. We can convert Excel
>> Spreadsheet into CSV, JSON or XML to make it machine readable. We will
>> upload same data on a local (our own) instance of CKAN. CKAN comes with an
>> API and it will allow civic coders to access that that from our portal and
>> develop web / mobile app upon it. You can access or share that data on wiki
>> or any portal you want as the data will be in open format and free to share.
>>
>> Looking forward to hear from you.
>>
>>
>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>
>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM, mohsin khawaja <email at mohsinkhawaja.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it can be an excellent idea/project.
>>> I checked the data at publicbodies.org/ - for UK, US and EU - it is
>>> very incomplete.
>>> Just names of the bodies and websites. Addresses and many other
>>> attributes are missing.
>>>
>>> Anyways we can start for PK. And I think a Wiki style is much better
>>> than previously discussed options - because in this way - the updation of
>>> data is possible in a much better way. I had created a wiki for a project
>>> http://certificationsdirectory.com/ and no matter how limited the scope
>>> is - it is much convenient to keep it updated and collaborate with a team.
>>> But still it is a suggestion.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> ===
>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>> +92-3223225433
>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, it is indeed a good project to start but as per my personal
>>>> opinion we first need to gather and list all the Public Bodies in
>>>> Pakistan —that is government-run or -controlled organizations. Examples
>>>> include federal as well as provincial ministries or departments, and
>>>> state-run organizations. At present there is no such database containing
>>>> Name, Address, and Contact No. of Public Bodies in Pakistan. One such
>>>> project of Open Knowledge (Intl.) is running at the following link:-
>>>>
>>>> http://publicbodies.org/
>>>>
>>>> Your suggestions in this regard will be highly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>
>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:51 PM, mohsin khawaja <email at mohsinkhawaja.me
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> then do you think it is a good project to start with for OKFN-PK or
>>>>> not ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Mohsin, Yes I have worked as NGOs Monitoring Officer in
>>>>>> Pakistan under Ministry of Interior but before coming to the point I would
>>>>>> like to clear 2-3 things which will help you in achieving the planned
>>>>>> tasks. There is no single body of law that governs NGOs in Pakistan.
>>>>>> There are between 10 to 18 different laws in Pakistan that may
>>>>>> govern an NGO. First of all SECP register nationwide Non-Profit
>>>>>> Companies under Section 42 of the Companies Ordinance, 1984. There are
>>>>>> three other major laws dealing with registration of NGOs / Non-profit
>>>>>> organizations in Pakistan which are as under:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i) Voluntary Social Welfare Agencies, 1961
>>>>>> ii) Societies Registration Act, 1860
>>>>>> iii) Trust Act, 1882
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Registration cases falling under the laws mentioned at serial no. (i)
>>>>>> and (ii) are undertaken by the Registrar of NGOs appointed in each District
>>>>>> of Pakistan. Whereas, registration cases under Trust Act (sr. no. iii) are
>>>>>> managed by Tehsildar Office located in all the Districts of Pakistan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As regard International NGOs interested in working under Pakistan,
>>>>>> they are required to obtain approval from the Establishment Division as
>>>>>> well as thorough clearance from National Security Agencies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keeping in view the fact that there are multiple authorities dealing
>>>>>> with registration of NGOs / Non-Profit Organizations in Pakistan at
>>>>>> National as well as District level, there is no single database containing
>>>>>> record / registration details of all those NGOs. Many private organizations
>>>>>> tried to collect the record about NGOs registered / working in different
>>>>>> cities / villages of Pakistan which can be found online at following links:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ngos.org.pk/
>>>>>> http://www.unesco.org.pk/documents/Directory%20of%20NGOs.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ngoworldpk.com/ngo-introduction/download-full-ngo-directory-(pakistan)/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/thecivilsocietyforumofpakistan/Pakistan-nonprofits-directory
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Above mentioned links does not provide the complete list of all the
>>>>>> NGOs registered / working in Pakistan. Total number of NGOs registered in
>>>>>> Islamabad only are more than 3000 (list can be produced). An estimated
>>>>>> number of NGOs registered / working in whole Pakistan is 30,000+ and at
>>>>>> present there is no single database available with any Government Agency
>>>>>> which contains all those NGOs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org>
>>>>>> M: +92 336 5101166
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:00 PM, mohsin khawaja <
>>>>>> email at mohsinkhawaja.me> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AoA,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed that you worked as "NGOs Monitoring Officer" - a while
>>>>>>> back i was looking for a complete list of NGOs in Pakistan - but couldn't
>>>>>>> find it. Can you help me get this dataset ? i will try to share and promote
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>> Mohsin Khawaja
>>>>>>> +92-3223225433
>>>>>>> http://linkedin.com/in/khmohsin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Nouman Nazim <nouman.nazim at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Mohsin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all welcome to this discussion list. I am reproducing your
>>>>>>>> suggestions, from my personal email, here:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i) Ask corporations, specially dealing with food and health care
>>>>>>>> products, to open their manufacturing & raw material policies [data] so
>>>>>>>> that consumers can make rational choices rather than emotional following of
>>>>>>>> brands under the influence of advertisement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ii) An online platform / forum / wiki to raise public awareness
>>>>>>>> about how Government works in Pakistan and provide answers
>>>>>>>> to frequently asked questions about Government functions / services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the current members of Open Knowledge Pakistan (OKP) discussion
>>>>>>>> list are requested to provide their views / opinions on the suggestions of
>>>>>>>> Mr. Mohsin and how Open Knowledge Pakistan can undertake such initiatives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My opinions in this regard are as under:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i) We can establish Open Product Data Working Group under the
>>>>>>>> umbrella of OKP to campaign for Open Product Data in Pakistan by contacting
>>>>>>>> and writing to leading local products manufacturers and request them to
>>>>>>>> Open their products data. There is the working group titled: "Open
>>>>>>>> Product Data" working under Open Knowledge (Intl.) to build a public
>>>>>>>> database of product data. Here are the links of their websites:-
>>>>>>>> http://product.okfn.org and http://product-open-data.com. After
>>>>>>>> obtaining data from local products manufactures we can add that to Global
>>>>>>>> Open Product Data database besides establishing our own local portal which
>>>>>>>> will allow users to easily access data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ii) As regard public awareness on how Government Work, we can
>>>>>>>> launch an online portal like following:-
>>>>>>>> http://answers.oaklandnet.com/ to answer questions about different
>>>>>>>> functions / services provided by the Government of Pakistan. The
>>>>>>>> aforementioned website is using open source platform titled Honolulu
>>>>>>>> Answers <http://www.codeforamerica.org/apps/honolulu-answers/> and
>>>>>>>> Ms. Sheba Najmi, Founder, Code for Pakistan
>>>>>>>> <http://codeforpakistan.org> played a vital role in developing
>>>>>>>> this platform. We can deploy Honolulu Answers
>>>>>>>> <http://www.codeforamerica.org/apps/honolulu-answers/> in Pakistan
>>>>>>>> and request Ms. Sheba Najmi for her suggestions / guidance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Nouman Nazim*
>>>>>>>> Ambassador / Group Lead
>>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Pakistan <http://pk.okfn.org/>
>>>>>>>>
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