[open-science] Publishing curated email lists

Thu Jun 23 13:39:14 UTC 2016

Ni!

Is there in fact anybody who's been saying things in this list they
wouldn't want to be slightly more widely reported?

This discussion seems quite premature to me. I'd say once it becomes a
concrete issue the solution will be self-evident, but in current terms
there is not solution because there is no problem.

Just assume things are public, because, hey, they are.

We're well into the XXI century, no matter how obscure a public archive is,
at the moment it acquires any relevance all search engines will imediately
point everyone to it.

Getting used to this is not optional. Privacy, however, is an option: if
you want it, don't use public media or your personal identity.

Abraços ;)
l
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.~´

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Stacy Konkiel <stacy at altmetric.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I think you've proposed a great workaround that's able to address nearly
> all concerns.
>
> For the issue of how to document a thread where one person doesn't want
> their words directly quoted, I wonder if there's a way to apply the Chatham
> House rule? (You can paraphrase, but can't name the person in question.)
>
> Looking forward to seeing how this might play out!
>
>
> Stacy
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:23 AM, Josh Nicholson <
> jnicholson at thewinnower.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> I agree with your points.  At this point I feel that there is a ton of
>> great information shared on these lists but that it is largely inaccessible
>> due to the formatting and presentation of it.  I was hoping to change this
>> but there appear to be numerous hurdles with participation/implementation
>> and I don’t want to force people to have their emails published.
>>
>> What I propose doing is curating these on a collaborative writing
>> platform like Authorea and inviting members of the list to view/edit it.  I
>> will then only go forth with publishing if I get agreement from those on
>> the thread.  I think this should be fair to all parties involved.  Still,
>> it presents a problem if one or two members of the thread do not wish to
>> participate as it can make the thread unclear.
>>
>> Best,
>> Josh
>>
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:27:58 +0100
>> > From: Thomas Kluyver <takowl at gmail.com>
>> > To: open-science <open-science at lists.okfn.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [open-science] Publishing curated email lists
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>> > On 21 June 2016 at 17:28, Stacy Konkiel <stacy at altmetric.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> One thing I would suggest is having an opt-out mechanism available for
>> >> those who don't want their email(s) shared publicly.
>> >>
>> >> It may seem counter-intuitive--I think we all know that most email
>> lists
>> >> are hardly private--but I also think that for many there's an unspoken
>> >> expectation of "this will stay on this list".
>> >
>> >
>> > I understand the intention here to offer a kind of privacy, but I'd
>> worry
>> > about offering some kind of 'opt out' on a public list (both publicly
>> > archived and open to anyone to subscribe):
>> >
>> > 1. There's a risk that the existence of an opt out gives people the idea
>> > that their posts are private if they opt out of publication, when in
>> fact
>> > they're still completely public, just maybe not so obvious.
>> > 2. It creates an ambiguous situation around the messages of people who
>> > opted out. It's public, but you can't... make it too public? What if
>> > someone made a nicer interface to the mailman archives that invited more
>> > attention? What if a journalist wanted to quote messages from a mailing
>> > list? What would the opt out actually mean?
>> > 3. How can you sensibly archive conversations where a key participant
>> has
>> > opted out, especially if people quote them in replies? Does anyone
>> involved
>> > in a conversation effectively have veto power to prevent re-archiving
>> that
>> > conversation?
>> >
>> > Thomas
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